Council - Wednesday 16 October 2019, 7:00pm - South Gloucestershire Council Webcasting

Council
Wednesday, 16th October 2019 at 7:00pm 

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migrants Good evening everybody
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:08:20]
it says seven o'clock in it's time to stop the House meeting
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:08:30]
I shall turn to the evacuation procedure first
if the fire alarm sounds leave the Chamber via the Committee Room lobby
go down the staircase and assemble in the car park behind the Council officers
if that staircases unusable use the fire escape staircase in the Council Chamber itself
do not run or use the lifts and if you have mobility problems told the Democratic Services Officer who will assist you
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:09:03]
members I am sure you will be aware that tonight is the first run of a new
loudspeaker and system are the meeting will be recorded but as it's the first one will not be transmitted tonight
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:09:22]
we have apologies for absence
from John Laing

2 Apologies for Absence

Sanjay
Robert Griffin
Roger evening
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 0:09:34]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:09:36]
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 0:09:36]
at a month and at a monk
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:09:39]
can I also say that a few minutes ago councillor Eric Williams was taken ill and has had to withdraw from this evening's Sir event so therefore when it comes to questions please be aware that she will not be available to answer supplementary questions
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:10:01]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:10:06]
yes I mentioned John Lee but surely hallway noted thinking
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:10:14]
are there any further apologies
councillor Savage
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:10:18]
[Cllr Toby Savage - 0:10:21]
chair is just to say that I am available to answer Erica's questions in her absence
thank you for that

3 Declarations of Interest Under the Localism Act 2011

[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:10:30]
ITEM 3 declarations of interest under the Localism Act
if Members have infested declare can I please ask that you clearly identify
the item number of if the interest relates to and the nature of the interest
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:10:48]
notification thank you

4 Minutes of the special meeting held on 17 July 2019

minutes of the special Council Meeting of the 17th July 20 19
councillors are you happy for the minutes of the meeting to be signed as a correct records
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:11:05]
no
objection
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:11:09]
so they will be signed
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:11:22]
ITEM 5 minutes of the council meeting of the 17th July 20 19
councillor are you happy for the minutes of the meeting to be signed as a correct record

5 Minutes of the meeting held on 17 July 2019

[Cllr Kim Scudamore - 0:11:36]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:11:43]
I can't speak out at Brighton again yes at jeopardised referred to question 17 on page 42 and when I asked her cancerRead a supplementary question I think that's quite an important important omission in the minutes Castillo did actually promised to get back to me with a further clarification below established in the meeting that the information had been given was in fact incorrect and I wonder therefore could not least the fact that Steve agreed to get back to me in the minutes and if there is any further clarification I appreciate it
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:12:13]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:12:15]
[Cllr Steve Reade - 0:12:17]
Cam Yes I am I am ready to give you a response
I can say consider something
after this this meeting
or would you like it now
also treacherous
Councillor Young
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:12:30]
[Cllr Steve Reade - 0:12:31]
under supplements
four questions
[Cllr Claire Young - 0:12:47]
helpful is I like to be I don't normally answer the question I've asked what's happened is the first part of the answer has been recorded as my question
so we will correct that thank you and amendments will be made
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:13:10]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:13:15]
[Cllr Claire Young - 0:13:16]
apart from out is there any other amendments otherwise all signed the minutes
members
My own Chair's announcements

6 Chair's Announcements

[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:13:36]
judge since we last met over tendered for citizenship
meetings
open to council community centres applied green and page Community Centre
last night I attended the climate change tree planting a meeting at the Bristol Science Park
and a number of other meetings with small groups around the
area
could I also make a note for your information this evening
over many years are various chairs have been assisted in their duties by Cherie Taylor the Chair of Council's assistant
I have to tell you this evening that she has been promoted and has left that post and she is now in another post in the Council and I would like to thank her publicly for the amount of work she's done for both myself and all of the Chairs are in ever met a number of years and I thank you very much
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:14:50]
items from the public
we now come to the opportunity for members of the public to speak to Council

7 Items from the Public

I would like to remind Members of the public that the meeting is being filmed the saving though I says as I said earlier will not be transmitted you have five minutes to speak and the green light to my left will
be illuminated whilst you speak and then will turn orange when you have one minute remaining
if appropriate we will refer the matter to the relative Member Executive Member her Chief Officer for action the likely will turn red when your time is up
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:15:31]
can I please call Nichola Bowden to speak to Council
you have five minutes to speak
and the light system will operate as I mentioned
can you hear me
[Officer9 - 0:15:54]
OK hello thank you everyone and I would just like to speak on Nicola Bowden-Jones or King one of the major functions of a Councillor is the robust governance of the Council carried out through membership of Committees scrutiny and by maintaining democratic procedures
which Councillors are elected by members of the public to do councillors also receive allowances for these roles and additional allowances for leadership roles within the governance of the Council
as is good practice Councillors provide the Council with a declaration of interest in order to reduce potential conflicts of interest so that appropriate measures can be taken to mitigate to mitigate against potential deceptions which seems to make sense but what it the very person in charge of the Council is the very person we need to be scrutinising what measures are in place for this this is a very serious question and demands a very serious answer
so I note that Councillor Toby William Savage lists as a number of interest in his declaration after ignoring his relationship with the Masons we need to think about the pay position he holds in Wecker the West of England Combined Authority firstly because if someone is working for another authority how to both authorities ensure that work is being carried out if the Council has democratically decided that its leader can effectively function on a part-time basis I would expect to see this reflected in the allowances he receives
secondly his position on Wecker conflicts with the Council's Constitution which according to the terms of reference for a Leader of the Council means that the Leader's role includes representing South gloss Council as the Member appointed to the West of England Combined Authority and other strategic outside bodies so please can we have some clarity as to whether Toby to jobs Savage is representing South block Council on Wacker or representing Wecker on South Gloucs Council
now the story doesn't end here so I need to press on to call Toby to jobs Savage is not to do him justice so I must apologise because he should be called Toby three jobs because as far as I know he has one more job it's might be that he has more than that but I only know of one more he works and is paid as an assistant to Mr. Chris Skidmore the current MP for Kingswood
Mr. Skidmore receives a budget from the government to pay his office staff from which Mr.
from rich councillor three jobs Savage benefits but where are the checks and balances being carried out to ensure that Mr. Skidmore isn't able to benefit directly from advice from Council officers through the conduit of three jobs Savage in which case the tax payers of South Gloucestershire are paying for the casework to be carried out by the MP who is already receiving funds elsewhere
the diligence extremely effective and hard-working members of the Labour Group recently lost their entitlement to a political assistant and entitlement I understand is granted to them through an Act of Parliament why was this done the Council is not here to serve the convert servative party it is here to serve the people of gloss South Gloucestershire and it should be givens by all parties elected by the people and these party should have sufficient resources to enable them to do so
you are a woman reminding
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tenants why then did the Bristol Post wrote this week of the council spending 34 thousand pounds on some fancy toilet paper which has been shoved through people's doors I take the quote from the Bristol Post something which has happened previously and thus amounts to almost 70 thousand pounds so far South Gloucestershire has 78 schools experiencing funding cuts and a dark cloud looms over the resource base in Emersons Green
how has Councillor Savage who is responsible for the Council's Medium Term finances and budget justify these decisions democratically thank you
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thank you my apologies
my apologies for giving your name wrong or an actress Nichola pardon and of course it's Nicola Bowden-Jones
your comments will be referred to the Monitoring Officer who will reply to accordingly
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can I now please call Keith wisdom to speak to Council
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Roger can I then ask Roger Hall to speak to Council
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Good evening councillors Roger Hall from Thornby residence gets poorly planned developments
the Joint Spatial Plan for the West of England has been roundly demolished by the inspectors during the examination in public for any Councillor who is not ready yet read their letter of the 11th September I strongly suggest you do so as she was will then see how ridiculous statements are from this and other councils in using phrases like to quote we are disappointed by some of the conclusions drawn by the inspectors but we are pleased about X Y and Z finished quote
imagine if you will report on the maiden voyage of the Titanic that some aspects of the journey did not go entirely to plan but we are greatly encouraged by the cemetery in the arrangement of the deckchairs
and you will get the picture
council's and planning officers and allied rabbits in the headlights not knowing what to do next out of touch with reality but producing hopelessly optimistic statements this holds the Council up to ridicule
and also gives an insight into the mindset of the authors of such statements who have become accustomed to marking their own homework and awarding themselves a distinction when the reality is a big fat fail
let us be clear about what the inspectors have said they have told you that they quote cannot conclude that the Spatial Strategy is sound
and that the production of yet further work which simply seeks to re justify the JSP particularly with regards to the selection of the strategic development locations is unlikely to be successful in achieving a plan we could find sound they go on to say that they quote believed that the Council's need to return to the plan preparation process and with open minds reconsider many fundamental mental elements of the James P
this plan was for five years in the making and has been an appalling waste of time and public money the headline cause of the problem may be the failure of the councils to properly assess the spatial alternatives in an objective manner but the underlying reason goes much deeper into the culture the sheer arrogance of a small unaccountable cabal thinking it can decide from the outset which location should be developed based on political preference which in this Council's case is to build only in Lib Dem worlds then wrap it all up in a contrived strategy is simply breathtaking
not surprisingly the ensuing consultation was a sham even inspectors have vented their frustration on this point their letter says and I quote we gave you the opportunity to prepare a considerable amount of further evidence to address our concerns this has not been successful and our concerns of deepened and of quote so they gave you a chance to try to scrape a pass a year ago but your legendary inability to hear criticism prevailed even when it came from the examining Inspector's and you produced a stack of reports saying the same thing over again
now you have been told your plan won't work we strongly urge you to stop clutching at straws more than a month has passed without the Council's being able to face the inevitable our proposal for the way forward is as follows and it's 5 steps step one apologised to the public for the last five years of this fiasco a recovering alcoholic has first to admit to himself and the world that he has a problem you are still in denial and we think an apology at this stage would be cathartic
step to sack anyone who still believes the JSP was OK really and just needs a bit of a Dust Off you compulsion lump of excrement as much as you like but it's still a lump of excrement until such people have gone you have no chance of avoiding the same trap you walked into last time
step 3 decide whether to go it alone as a local authority or work together as the West of England
it is important that you properly debate and decide on the way forward here in open session this Council needs to get out of the habit of making decisions in a secret in secret in a little huddle
step for
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a future one minute remaining
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again make a statement up front that this is conditional on starting with a clean sheet in terms of both the spatial locations and the share of the burden of additional housing in the last plan you fails put the interests of South Gloucestershire resonance first by volunteering to take some additional 8 thousand 500 houses more than your share that's the Krivets almost 3 buck overs in what amounted to a charter for a get rich quick landowners in South Gloucestershire neighbouring authorities need to be disabused of the idea from the outset as South Gloucestershire will be the Patsy this time round Step 5 start again with the plan process as demanded by the inspectors we suggest based on the spatial strategy around the most pressing issue of our time namely climate change emergency we think any plan should have at its heart the need to minimise travel from home to place of work by anything other than an efficient means of public transport if you follow something akin
these five steps trapped will be happy to work cooperatively and constructively with you
if you try as a whole
will you please now conclude
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wearing new clothes we will join forces with other campaign groups and fight you every opportunity
thank you
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thank you Mr. Hall
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can I now ask Mr. Keith wisdom to speak
breathing
I am a shock loss resident and a founding member of my local residents action group
trapped trapped is an acronym for Thornbury residents against poorly planned development
Councillors you have just heard from the Chairman the co-chairman of trap
this statement has very accurately and succinctly stated both the past and current situation in relation to the JSP
so the upshot of all that has gone before is that years of effort and a very considerable amount of public funds have been totally wasted and its back to the drawing board
the inspectors clearly demolished the current JSP proposals and methodologies to the point at which the JSP must be totally re-evaluated from basics not fiddled around with and bits trimmed to try to introduce the same horse but different colour
further this Council along with Wecker
as recently stated its recognition of the climate change emergency issues as a major factor in determining current and future planning policies
and is also currently currently reviewing its Core Strategy having determined that the current policies are out of date as they are beyond the five-year plan date
to date rather than listening to the public multiple representations of their elected representatives over the last few years the majority of consultation has been Internal and not open to public view or debate
clearly in instigating a new JSP process a complete rethink on all of those issues is required a manager must now be open fully transparent and inclusive of all forms of representation throughout to quote Winston Churchill
every difficulty presents an opportunity
the people of South loss have elected each and every one of their councillors to act in their best interests
I know from personal contact how hard many of you work for your constituents and I am sure that you honestly wish to fulfil that privilege duty to the very best of your individual abilities
but you achieve that end I would respectfully submit
that you must all ignore any political or other allegiances and instead try to all work together in the interests of approximately 200 83 thousand residents in South Gloucestershire
further
as earlier stated in view of the recognition of the climatic effects due to emissions it is crystal clear that the provision of all local infrastructure must be at the forefront when determining the provision of new development
to date South gloss is the only local authority in Wecker that determined siting of new development without the extent provision of suitable local locally accessible infrastructure
and those responsible should hang their heads in shame
in conclusion I say you have been handed the opportunity to do it right this time
please don't fail the people of South gloss again
and please remember you have not failed until you've stopped trying
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thank you Mr. wisdom your comments and those of the previous Speaker Mr. Hall will be referred to the
Executive Member for Planning transportation and strategic environment thank you
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I now call more authority to the table
hello and I managed or a thug verges and I am a researcher at Newey Bristol and I am here tonight to talk about send which I believe you are talking about tonight's or special educational needs and disabilities and later on your game to hear some statements from my colleagues which talk about some of the funding figures and I assume you will be debating some of those as well i'd before that I just wanted to give some personal context about living with SEND and what that means I imagine he'll be doing lots of talking about whether or not there's more money than ever before in the education system and about whether there isn't the UK Statistics Authority has stopped asked that we stop saying that and also that whether or not these and the increased funding that's in the education system actually makes up for the cuts previously but from a personal perspective and my daughter has recently been diagnosed with dyspraxia and HD and I would like you to know about the pain and the impacts that these cuts and difficulties in schools are having on parents and the wider community so my daughter went to school in 2 thousand 16
she was born preterm with low birth weights we always knew that we might have issues but we had to wait until she was aged six before we got any help the school actually said to me sometimes children have to fail before they'll get any help now I don't know if you can imagine hearing that if that was your child by can tell you it's devastating it's been devastating for our whole family to go through this fights nor I have a PhD in social psychology and I found the system of getting help navigating the healthcare system which has also been cuts and then trying to get educational help hugely traumatising and detrimental to my mental health to my family's mental health I have a younger son so impacting on other family members as well and all the while my daughter who is not able to write with dyspraxia or developmental coordination disorder has been sacked in the classrooms unable to participate not getting an education and again to know that that is what her one chance at education and that she is not getting that help has been devastating now recently we have managed to go through an appeal to an appeals tribunal which I believe 90 per cent actually win for the law is not being applied correctly and she has now got an educational Health Care Plan and where termed as one of the lucky ones and but I can tell you that it's not a golden ticket as was reported in the Times this week and that and the impacts of the wider school cuts on schools means that other children's education is being impacted so you are robbing Peter to pay Paul which is not fair on all pupils so I would like you to take that into account when you are discussing this that you are discussing real children real people's lives parents who are struggling communities who are struggling children who may not get the education that they need in order to go on to be contributing members of society and please remember that thinking
thank you for that
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your comment
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be referred to the Executive Member for CYP and again can I apologise for getting your name wrong Laura fog Rogers thank you
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and I ask Nicky car to come to the table
support charges anything
I am are Niki Kaur I am a representative from send crisis and I just want to speak to you about asked a question about the Ready Reckoner
so the bread reckoner has been up and running for six months now and send crisis would like to ask what the impact has been during the consultation phase we were concerned about the absence of context within the documentation about the new funding tool and therefore had and continue to have valid concerns about its efficacy the Ready Reckoner was introduced within the context of of an already failing children young persons service and to quote the of 19 to quote their 2 thousand 18 Ofsted reports and leaders have not ensured that children with disabilities receive a safe service that meets their needs and protects them from harm
the implementation of the Ready Reckoner followed years of general generalised cuts to school funding which have adversely and disproportionately affected SEN children through reduced pastoral care reduced behaviour support staff and reduce TA hours inside gloss parents already have to face long battles for assessments services and adequate provision send children and young people were already being failed there are genuine and valid concerns about the impact of further funding cuts when he HC peer reviews take place under the Ready Reckoner simultaneously children a dish children with additional needs struggle to access vital support in other areas and I've got three here
number one the mental health service only the most severe cases or offered support with some parents attending A&E up to 20 times before CAMHS are able to offer support even then some children a sense out of area for services number to behaviour support and exclusion from school children with SEND are regularly subjects authoritarian behavioural approaches when schools and SouthGloucester not meeting their needs this may include being shamed in front of their peers be put in isolation missing breaktimes detention suspensions are exclusions without a lack of appropriate support school placements often begins to fail for children with additional needs exclusions in South gloss or higher than the national average 1 thousand 190 exclusions took place in 2 thousand 17 of these 78 percent were sent children and 100 and 86 had any HC pay this issue continues to fail SEN children with numbers rising only the parents who have the energy education and finances to fight back
will bring a disability discrimination case to a court of law for the explosion of these vulnerable children because it can cost 25 thousand
yet 25 thousand pounds but threats
Number 3 long waits for assessments and the HTP reviews obtaining any actually peaking in South Gloucestershire can take years without any http children are not allocated funding there is a 20 week turnaround put in place very HC P's any 45 percent 6 percent are completed within this statutory kind frame
I don't know how much time I've got nothing
I can
so the January 2 thousand 18 Ofsted report the sad loss spaces there are long-standing problems in some services provided by the local area as a result young people have to have lengthy rates of times to have their needs assessed and met by clinicians and specialist health and
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social care practitioners for example families women
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accepted unacceptably long waits for the assessment and diagnosis are children and young people with ASD this constitutes an area of significant concern to send parents want to know how the ready reckoner has improved educational experiences for SEN children in South gloss within the context of an already failings children or young persons services overall cuts to education of funding are largely inaccessible health service and oversimplified behaviourist approach to behaviour high rates of exclusions long waits for each CPS and overdue reviews given the Council's very own Equality impact Assessment for the Ready Reckoner highlighted that it was struggled to meet the needs of those it aims to serve
here
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thank you
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thank you for your comments will be drawn to the attention of the Executive Member for children and young persons
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can I now ask the governor of the Emersons Green Primary School to address
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i'd like living in the most might better from the Emersons Green Primary School governing bodies you say thank you for the opportunity to speak today and also to present a petition and online petition over 6 thousand 200 residents who signed up to save the Emersons Green Primary School resource base and oppose the current proposal or recommendation to close that resource base to highlight what that means for the community I'm going to read a statement from the staff at highlights issues and concerns are before that's like to make two points
first of all the existing recommendation is that our school closes its resource based new children in two years time at that means an alternative needs to be in place in two years' time allows children that would normally come to our resource base will be destined to special schools and will miss out on the mainstream education that we can offer them secondly we are concerned about the number of assumptions and data sets us a fourth review and I say we I mean governors and some subject matter experts on inclusion staff parents and the community are worried about the assumptions and data sets the reviewers relied on we are sharing our concerns with the local authority and we hope there are sharing will be successful
that further do then I'll read the state visit from that the LA staff members who run the resource base so well so we the staff of Emersons Green Primary School oppose the local authority's proposal to close the resource base here at our school we fully support the fantastic campaign that parents past and present of organised the fight this decision we wish to wholeheartedly thank them and their families for the time effort and passion they have put into trying to ensure that the inclusive provision for children with visual impairments and physical disabilities and had been developed here over the last 20 years is not lost
Emersons Green Primary School is a mainstream primary school with embedded specialist support for disabled children since it was purpose built in the year 2 thousand inclusive practice and an inclusive ethos or been at the forefront of the school's development the resource base provision that the local authority plan to remove from the school is essentially the expertise drawn from years of experience to include pupils with a variety of complex needs in a mainstream school
the school provides so much more than is available in a typical mainstream school is unique and valuable provision for children with visual impairments wheelchair users Braille users communication aid users lacked on users and Kane users
specialist support is given for people's wide ranging needs speech and language therapy physiotherapy occupational therapy mobility tube feeding oxygen self-care and independence Manual handling social and emotional needs and the fundamental need to develop a child's independence these needs are met through the skills and expertise of school staff working with a variety of therapists who are able to support the number of pupils in a single visit the provision is both exemplary and cost-effective
the school has been visited by educators from around the world and is proud to be considered a beacon of inclusive practice by the University of Vermont the Centre for inclusive education and the Alliance for inclusive education
staff work on a number of projects will outside providers such as the University of Birmingham and Bristol University to train visual impairment teachers and develop innovative technology to aid inclusion South Gloucestershire should be proud in his school it should be celebrating EC success and it should create more schools that follow this model not Fousert phased out or close it down
all pupils who attend the school benefit from inclusion they enjoy learning with and developing friendships with pupils of all abilities and learned to appreciate that we all have different strengths
that develop they developed the ability to include except learn from enrich and be enriched in an inclusive environment the fundamental outcome of inclusion Emersons Green is an ethos where every child feels wholly accepted as a part of the community without feeling singularly different because the time and expertise this takes to achieve it cannot be replicated easily swiftly and has successfully other schools especially if this model of inclusion no longer exists for them to copy and learn from
while we are of course worried about our jobs and our colleagues jobs are overriding concern Woodman remaining parents both present and
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future because there is clearly a demand for this provision we are deeply concerned that they will be denied the opportunity to be part of such an effective inclusive community and it will be taken away from them
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thank you Mr. bed your comments will be drawn to the attention to the of the Executive Member for children and young persons
can I call Nigel volley to the total Place
thank you good or good evening 9 Nigel volley and speak on behalf of the South Gloucestershire district of the National Education Union which represents the large majority of teachers in this Authority and is also sponsor the has been a sponsor of the Fair funding campaign for all schools in the air in the Sunday emergency campaign and we wish to make a number of points the first one is rich in response to the government's announcement of an
increase
and funding for South Gloucestershire scores of five-point 5 per cent it may come as a shock to some but we welcome that
the slight problem is of course that is not enough
the real terms funding cut to satoshi schools and 25th 15 29 scene was 7 percent and you get the government's new extra funding for us his five-point five per cent by 20 20 99 out of 100 tanks such as the schools will still have a funding shortfall by 20 21 it will be 80 out of 100 and SEN for most of our secondary schools a shortfall by 20 21 will be over 100 thousand pounds a year our problems aren't sold and it's important that parents the public and elected representatives in South Gloucestershire understand this
one thing we do welcome matches you management now by local
MPs that has been a problem
in South Gloucestershire for years they have denounced the fairer funding campaign and my Union for scaremongering and misleading the public but now apparently we were right
anyway and
School funding should be made based on these rather than a notional figure or other Councillors Serrano to this and that the together for education campaign which is a very broad alliance of education stakeholders of which South Gloucestershire is a Member through the Authority group
is a local group of of teachers and school leaders are getting together to produce a needs analysis for South Gloucestershire schools and it's on that needs analysis that funding should be based rather than a notional figures are hopefully in the next couple of months we should be able to present the Council with a real concrete plan for restoring School funding and the quality of education in schools
to what we what has been a to go some way to restoring what we've lost
the other point I want to make is about some Emersons Green and about sand education
was a meeting or parents' staffer Emersons Green and Black's primary schools
a couple of weeks ago and LEA officers stated that the proposed phasing out of Emersons Green Resource Centre was part of a general reorganisation of SEN provision to address the needs in the whole authority and was not driven apparently by Finance will as a surprise we recognise that there is a need to to reorganise improves SEN provision in South Gloucestershire however we do not accept that improving SEN provision necessitates the closure of one of an excellent facility the very good description has just been given in the previous Speaker the only motive for doing this must be financial and it will be to the detriment of the service an LEA officers have emphasised their belief and inclusion that means as far as possible including children with special needs in mainstream schools as the cornerstone of SEN provision we agree with that inclusion is central to National Education Union policy on sand and our ancestral union the NUT as been championing this for the last 40 years however it cannot be inclusion without one minute remaining the dump children with
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complex needs complex needs into mainstream without the resources to address those needs is sheer cruelty amounting to abuse it also has a serious consequence for the other children in mainstream schools and the teaching and support staff already driven to breaking point I intolerable workload and punitive performance management if there is to be inclusion it has to be resourced properly resourced according to need it's not a cost-cutting exercise and to do that is terrible the authorities promised a consultation on SEN reorganisation reasonably question require inclusion in that process as a professional organisation representing the large majority of teachers in South Gloucestershire we fear any Area officers will pick and choose the professionals they wish to consult rather than those who are representative and accountable if professionals ought to be heard it is we who should decide through our organisation who speaks on our behalf thank you
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thank you Mr. valley
your comments will be brought
to the attention of the Executive Member for children and young persons
can I ask now Mr. David Preston to come to the table
he then you're mine in-state person for aside from initial event I must admit this subject matter in a way of it so I have made mine pale into insignificance really but it matters to me so I'm still going to carry on
my main concern searchlights pathways to condition of the lack of maintenance etc.
overgrown and weeds grow up beside lumps and bumps appear and because the weeds are allowed to get out of control
incursion from surrounding grass area now be encouraging officers and staff are kept the tarmac your budget says pathways are budget for ran about 200 years for replacements etc so it will be looked after that bit better basically am Yogesh solution is better maintenance but wrong to say all but where does the money come from so just come up with a little idea old it may help with that particular side of it and we got shedloads of grass verges in open areas etc all of which are mode Copley way to regularly for my liking and also to the detriment of something was brought to my mind by my daughters play just near the end of summer which was plight erm highlighting the plight of bees basically and a decline thereof bees OK sounds a bit silly but they are the most important creature on earth which not just me saying is this is science it says it now
they got really nowhere to go after time because everything's been cut down on the grass is always being cut your shorts as no flowers for them to hide him when the rain comes on etc and so if they were to leave so it is grass verge areas just to grow to a wildflower etc.
I didn't look a bit nicer but
it's going to save a lot of time Moeen and or maybe two guys can spend a bit of time came down some trees and some Bush's on I got pathways around my local area many of them to ask me and pathways which you've got about a metre to walk through because you brambles etc etc I'm sure we've all experienced it
and that's pretty much all essential thanks for listening
thank you Mr. President
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your comments will be drawn to the Executive Member for Planning transportation and strategic environment
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can I now ask this will need to come to the table
how crippling my name's Liz Wadey I live in Winterbourne down we've got huge concerns regarding pedestrian safety across danzón bridge damsel Bridge if you don't know is a stone bridge that goes back over 100 years it's on the main route into Winterbourne from the damn badminton wrote we've got a petition of 175 local residents have spoken and said that they would like to see improvements for pedestrian safety on the bridge its lethal to cross currently
because of the road layouts there's a blind corner on the bridge and cars come down the hill from Winterborne at speed the braking distance is critical to this it's 30 mile an hour zone coming down but you need to be going in a car at 5 miles an hour to prevent a vehicle coming face to face to within a metre
it's too narrow for 2 cars and pedestrians to cross service to be on the bridge at the same time
walking to school with my two children a couple of weeks back we had two incidents within one week
again on that blind corner I had a high-vis vest on my children behind me a car came down round the corner and swerved to miss us if there had been a car coming the other direction there would have been a horrendous smash again within that same week are we were walking within the pedestrian zone those are white line marking it a white van kept coming towards us within the designated area for pedestrians it was only until I started shouting and waving that he stopped he carried on Cummings there were other cars there was a car coming behind us so I've taken the decision that is just too dangerous for us to walk that way presently
you just cannot use common sense to cross the bridge over the last 10 years trees have grown on private land adjacent to the bridge so therefore cars travelling down the hill of got no sites a view as a pedestrian on that bridge until the last minute which could be a metre from them to see you would fare travelling any faster than 5 miles an hour as a pedestrian you could have had it
we really need some kind of change to pedestrian safety on that bridge and I presume I think pedestrian traffic lights are going to be needed before a fatality occurs
thank you very much to my two local councillors Nick and Trevor for taking the matter up for me and I know that they're going to present the pope petition matron thank you for your time
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thank you for those comments and and again they will be brought to the Executive Member of for planning transportation and strategic environment
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that concludes the list that I have of people wishing to speak I take it there are no others
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thank you then I will now move to Section 8 that of petitions

8 Petitions

do any councillors have a petition to present I understand that Trevor Jones and Nick Labuschagne do have a petition to present about pedestrian safety approaching damsons Bridge in Winterbourne
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yes Councillor Golton I know that you will be coming out then and
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are you are presenting those that petition
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sorry
Republicans loud
thank you very much as has been said by LAs there we do have a petition that has been given to us
regarding the damsons bridge downright
signed
by hundreds of 76 people of winterbourne
saying we the undersigned would like to see the implementation of new arrangements to ensure the safety of pedestrians crossing damsons bridge
Danson's bridge forms part of the front very walkway which the Council has on its website as a promoted walking route and
as such I'm as has been explained by LAs
there's many families whom and and and people who use that that walk way
2 to cross the bridge and sometimes
also going through to
fall forward to going to school
some of the issues in the rush hour some of this exacerbated by some of the road changes that have been made and more and more people are going to cost them
there there is triggered some of the actions that can be taken some the tree growth that is alongside the the
damsons bridge are in private land needs to be to be looked at also other options as has been explained potentially I'm something like traffic lights need to be investigated and need to be looked at as said and 76 people have signed really important to
are
for people
and walkways in in South Glos thank you
thank you that the petition can be passed to Democratic Services at
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the end of the meeting but it will be referred to the relevant Executive Member thank you
Castle Bolton
thank you Brian
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 0:58:12]
i'm sure many of us have heard our residents talking about the traffic traffic system than Hambrook lights and and I have had countless residents am approached me today I had a own a Facebook thread appear on their Facebook page that Iran and I did invite Members to come along this evening to present their views but at such short notice they've asked to fight fair stay up offer a statement as a petition to the Council at which I have provided to Jon Brion earlier today
the statement I offered to them I just want to point out something from that statement that may not have been considered besides the usual cues and idling and creating even more conclusion I'm sure we've all heard from our residents but this is a cyclist I can testify first-hand that congestion increases the risk that motorists will take risky decisions and coming at this time of year when mornings and evenings getting dark and less pleasant the additional safety concern has created a hostile environment for the very zero emission road users that the Council should be supporting which I thought was an interesting
comment that I hadn't heard in previous statements that I have heard and I have also had some of the added on to that just to say that she is now late for work so often as a result of the Hambrook lights are experiment that she is now having to consider driving to Brislington to catch the park and ride from there which obviously negates some of the work that we're trying to do in our area so I have passed that over to John
and I am sure we will all be getting plenty of residents concerns on that subject
thank you for that and again the petition can be passed to the
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 0:59:59]
Democratic Services Officer
there are no other position yet
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:00:04]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:00:07]
please carry on
[Cllr Adam Monk - 1:00:09]
thank you run I'm have a petition here signed by over 5 m residents of Filton regarding the closure of Northfield family practice the petition requests that the Health Scrutiny Commission look into the hall they are rationale behind their closure on what could be done to lessen the impact of residents and Filton as that has been signed by over 5 thousand residents
and is concerned about extended waiting time now with disbursement of patients from that practice to to the other practices in year saw pass it on its democratic services
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:00:41]
thank you for that and again that will be a pulse to the Democratic Services Officer

9 Questions

[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:00:48]
members of there are no other petitions will now move on to Section 9 questions can I draw to your attention there are in fact 30 questions this evening
and could I perhaps ask you where possible to be as concise as possible otherwise serve evening we go on very long
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:01:10]
so question 28 Councillor Young do have a supplementary question for Councillor Savage
[Cllr Claire Young - 1:01:18]
yes I do thank you Chair this was one of allocations that provided the Urban living elements of the Joint Spatial Plan given the current uncertainty over that where does the Leader when does the Leader expensively talking to businesses and other stakeholders including local members
councillor Savage
thank you thank you Claire for for that question
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:01:42]
I don't want to pre-judge the the discussion of or have later on no doubt in the later item or around West of England issues and and how we move forward on the Joint Spatial Plan but we are the administration is setting out to re-establish the Policy Advisory Group process and take forward the next next steps because of course urban living was an important parts a component of the Joint Spatial Plan
we will have those discussions
and through that group come to reverse them where next to go in terms of that engagements and but as no doubt there's a lot of very exciting things happening in and around the 8 I'm not just landowners looking to change of use of some of their existing or brownfield land and but also the 8 park and rides and the aspirations that the One public Estate programme has to regenerate the town centre and when its importance parlour masterplanning work that we do pull all of those different components together and so we are and coming up with a joint plan for the area and local members and communities
will absolutely be a central part of that engagement moving forward
thank you for that question 29 Councillor Rooney do you have a
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:03:06]
supplementary question because of them
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 1:03:13]
I thank you to be fair response although it's not an answer and they still hadn't seen a business case not at the appointments and employments panel nor this evening in the statement he regarding PAS discharging any function flies in the face of the very fact that there was a local government and Housing Act 19 89 brought in specifically for for the provision of politically restricted political assistants you appear to either dismiss or ignore the very existence of this Act which is extremely concerning considering your position on this Council so my question do you intend to review the decision on proportionality for PAS at next Council AGM to see whether your decision for Porsche proportionality has worked or not and what evidence would be required to demonstrate whether your decision has worked or not
councillor Savage
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:03:58]
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:04:00]
thank you partners as you know I can't go into the detail of what was an exempt at reports and but you do know that the process that I went through in arriving at you were and would be had we had discussions and hands and on several occasions and I gave you a running commentary over the how those proposals were coming together
the legal advice was very clear in that in that report
and as that report said when there is a when there is a material change in proportionality that we would then look to review that situation and only when there is that material change
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:04:43]
in respect of care Irk question 30 Councillors GOP do you have a supplementary question from Councillor Savage
I do Chair
[Cllr Sam William Scott - 1:04:50]
and thank you for your initial response I am over the last 12 months we've heard that South Gloucester is one of the worst funded per pupil Local authorities last year was to place from a feature about the worst potholes insert the south-west the worst was Colliston Road
the year before that the Bristol Post highlighted approximately 25 percent of children in Patchway Saphir or address or up or are at risk of child poverty my residence colleagues and community would rather 50 thousand is spent on education potholes and ending child poverty will the Executive Member rethink the plans for a publicity drive and focus on delivering real value real value for money thank you
hence the so
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:05:32]
thank you thank you Chair and thank you Sam fuel
a follow up question we've set out as an administration ambitious plans to invest in all of those areas and schools and highways and various other services are important too to local residents and and we will continue to invest in communication channels that and that is the best way of meeting the needs of residents who are not digital citizens they are not online they do rely on printed publications and all the feedback that we've had so far around that suggest that were absolutely right to continue that
and and that is an integral parts of a value for Money ensuring that we are able to meet the needs and aspirations of all of our residents and all our communities and Ann and I say that with the greatest of respect we won't be taking lessons around value for money and from a Labour Councillor in Patchway when you consider the awful value for money that's the previous Town Council there has provided to that community and a former Chair signing off accounts containing large numbers of discrepancies and failing to reclaim more than 32 thousand in VAT over two years not having strong enough authorisation controls on payments existing procedures being weak reasonable assurance could not be provided over a number of areas all of the comments around an internal audits and that looked into how Labour were running things in Patchway and then finally Labour Town Councillors receiving Town Council services for free to do their gardening for them we won't take any lessons on value for money from Labour Councillors in Patchway
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:07:13]
in respect of question 31 Councillor only do you have a supplementary question Councillor Sobel
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 1:07:21]
again I thank you for the response but obviously you haven't answered the key points and I question so I'll try again how will the proposed designated Scrutiny Officer be fully funded in the future as you are currently stating that the money cut from the opposition's political assistance is the sole source funding for this post what would happen if the three PAS were once again full time post as minuted and currently states within our Constitution approved in May this year
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:07:49]
i'm OpenSSL so
thank you Chair and thank you pack your for your question or I am I
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:07:54]
answered this both both here and also partly in my earlier answer to you that we would review are the proportionality of preschool systems when there was a material change in proportionality and until that time comes and we will we will revisit
how the scrutiny support his funded at that time and that as I said earlier there are no plans to do that there is no sir no such material change
but were absolutely committed to ensuring that scrutiny has the support that it needs to do the job
that we needed to do which is to ultimately improve decision making and outcomes for our residents and communities
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:08:35]
thank you in respect of question 32 councillor Alison Evans do you have any supplementary question for Councillor Savage
[Cllr Alison Evans - 1:08:45]
I do thank you Chair thank you for your response I am relieved to find that the 90 days it took for me to receive my answers which I received yesterday is an exception to the norm and I look forward to a speak to speedier responses from the Cabinet Members to my questions tonight including my first question which is when will the new protocols be put in place and what were the likely time frame be thank you
councillor savage
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:09:16]
but the new protocols will put will be put in place and very soon after this meeting
to ensure that we are at a properly recording the questions were written responses have been or are promised and and they will go to the Member who asked those as soon as practically possible and that is certainly a very big improvement on the amount of time that you had to wait at this time
in respect of question 33 Councillor Sandy Davis do you have a
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:09:46]
supplementary question for Councillor Stokes
[Cllr Sandie Davis - 1:09:51]
no supplementary
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:09:56]
thank you in respect of Girl question 34
councillor Sandra Davis you have a question for Councillor Stokes
[Cllr Sandie Davis - 1:10:05]
yes I've got on this one so this is about the assistive technology so I thank you for your answer
on this point I can only go on my own personal experience when trying to include
a virtual support provider in my son's care package when he moved into independence I couldn't find anybody in either adult care team all the OTS who had any experience or could advise yet I never seen company had already been commissioned by North Somerset Devon and Bristol Local authorities however you do mention them there's currently a project running so could I please have details of facts of I can track progress
[Cllr Ben Stokes - 1:10:45]
councillor slips
I am very very happy to provide details if you could just turn e-mail or we could sort out over e-mail exactly a bit more about your your point that would be very helpful to clarify
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:11:01]
thank you in respect of question 35 Councillor Young do you have a supplementary question for Councillor John Hunt
he checked and
[Cllr Claire Young - 1:11:11]
you may have had a huge thank you the answer you sorry
did you say why he has been a moment that you say something not OK sorry
yes I see me I am I am suffering that my hair in that moment I am struggling to have people I
you may have had only a handful of inquiries because on the get ready for Brexit South loss pages it does not say one-stop shops can help and when I was trying to help a great concern gentleman who had lived here for over 50 years I directed him to the citizens advice Bureau
do you regret the upheaval and upset this is causing to people with this process
of predecessor is according to people who contributed to our communities for very many years and will you take steps to make it clear to people have Council can help
Islam
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:12:01]
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 1:12:03]
really trying to help residents wherever we can if we haven't made it clear enough through the website we can certainly do that
obviously at the moment we are not 100 percent sure it's going to be happening at the end of this month and were hoping for some parity at some point
we do have funds in place that allow us to react to any outcome that comes with its deal no deal an extension
and we will do whatever we can to help residents who contact us with their settlement status
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:12:36]
councillor think respective question 36 Councillor Bolton do you have a supplementary question for Councillor John and
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 1:12:45]
I could share yes thank you John inconveniently for you I recall the battle that Gareth Manson had in trying to get an external expect inspectors to come into Children's Services long before the official Ofsted inspection and you blocked him at every opportunity you had we welcomed Ofstead finally shining a light on what we believed was being hidden from our view you say that we haven't scrutinize anything about Children's Services for a full year between May 20 18 May 09 29 19 so my question is how seriously did you take the concerns of the scrutiny commission raised about your Directorate from the 100 11 page report I presented to you without fanfare
or political
point scoring on the 8th October 20 18
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 1:13:33]
councillor
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:13:39]
thank you for your question Just to get back on your first point where Councillor Manson when he requested a mock Ofsted it was then noted in further papers that he actually didn't request a lock of stared in you can look back at the minutes of that where that's something he quoted himself it was only then following the Ofsted inspection he then decided he was going to claim that he did want a Markoff Stead again so we can't rewrite the history that happened there it was quite clear that when it was a Conservative cabinet member who was leading the Children's Services
we were claimed to be adequate in 2 thousand 12 for safeguarding and children looked after after moving to the committee system which was chaired from majority part by the Lib Dems and then subsequently by myself for a year and it was at that point that we were rated inadequate having then moved back to the Cabinet system we are now back to being requires improvement which is the same level as adequate used to be and we're actually trying to put right the problems of a caused through the committee system
Work has been taking place
from last year onwards
leaps of that can be seen through our Improvement Board that took place
and that work would have been seen improvement plaudits with the exception of your Member who have a said fell to turn up for those 18 months and unlike myself and deliberate Dems you did have representation on that
we are we'll continue to work very hard on Children's Services and the importance of
getting Children's Services to good for our residents and it is one of our key priorities
and through the cabinet system we will continue to do so
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 1:15:30]
though my question was how seriously to take the concerns of scrutiny
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:15:36]
commission raised about your Director from the hunt it report
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 1:15:37]
we must move on on the 8th October
in respect
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:15:48]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:15:49]
this is not a debate in respect of CAP question 37 Councillor Sandy Davis you have a supplementary question for Councillor Jon Hunt
or yesterday
[Cllr Sandie Davis - 1:15:58]
so the questions and direct payments
I see by questions on the Facebook group for parents and carers forum has now been picked up by both yourselves and lamb am I had lots of replies to my questions around recruiting PIA is so I do look forward to seeing the collaborative work and could you please update me on this Azinger town and careful
councillor lamb
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:16:25]
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 1:16:26]
thank you thank you for your question yes we will be working closely with home care for him and we will happily update use as work progresses
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:16:37]
in respect of question 38 Councillor Evans do you have a supplementary question for Councillor John and
[Cllr Alison Evans - 1:16:42]
yes I do thank you Chair thank you for your response I am pleased to see a shift towards ensuring our schools put in the necessary SEN D support and the early identification and meeting children's needs is highlighted as a top priority as the SEN cluster pilot is seen as a key element to achieving this do you think that the money allocated for each cluster will be sufficient as up to 40 schools could be in each cluster receiving on average just 5 thousand pounds and Q
councillor
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:17:13]
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 1:17:14]
am I sure where the school clustered pilot is something that we've been running out and are now looking at extending further there will be a little bit of work that we need to do to ensure that the process to be put in place a right it has worked well so far during the pilot and we will have to keep reassessing it as we go through to ensure that we've got the process is correct and funding right for night
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:17:43]
councillor irrespective kept the question 39 pounds revenue you have a supplementary question for Councillor John and
[Cllr Alison Evans - 1:17:51]
yes I do thank you Chair
thank you again for your response and how many children currently in residential placements are ready or narrowly ready to step down into mainstream foster care if there wasn't a sufficiency problem in South Gloucester and Q
councillor
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:18:10]
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 1:18:11]
thank you I wanted to give you a written response from that to get those figures for
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:18:18]
in respect of question 40 Councillor Monk do you have a supplementary question from councillor Burton
[Cllr Adam Monk - 1:18:28]
then thank you for the answer I haven't answered my question in any way that digital programme has previously been presented as the mechanism that will drive savings required within this Council a question is simple how do you as the Executive Member propose that anyone who wishes to trace the performance of the programme now does so as is no longer reported as a single line item in papers in the papers and what value mechanism due suggest as yet used to measure its success
councillor Burton
I know
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:19:02]
[Cllr Ben Burton - 1:19:03]
thank you again for your question
as you know the digital programme is something which we have implemented in order to drive value for residents and give better value for money so that when people am
use Council services they get first-class experience and they also have the ability to do things in a more efficient way and also to do things
in online channels were perhaps previously only open to them were either phoning up and also or writing to the Council this will drive efficiencies within the various Departments so the actual savings to the Council are being demonstrated in the reduction of costs associated for each of the Departments where those savings take place so as you know as I put in my response to question the first of these projects the green waste programme is starting to roll out and that will then start demonstrates reduction in the budgets in those Departments it is it is my view that is the best place for those savings to be shown so actually you can see as each individual item comes on line the amount being spent based apartments can be identified can be tracked and can be seen exactly the Department as a whole will be acting more efficiently moreover them in my role we will also take an overview of that process am in that we will monitor how much with spending on the actual little programme implementation so we have a clear idea how those costs are being spent and we will also look at each of individual cases to ensure that when we actually implement I'm a proposal to reduce cost and fitted apartments weaken then action follow that through to make sure that the business case that we've clearly set out and have very carefully monitored is actually implemented and then we can actually deliver that through the internal procedures
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:21:11]
in respect of question 41 Councillor troubled you have a supplementary question for Councillor Rachel Hunt
[Cllr Pat Trull - 1:21:17]
yes I did a good evening to you regarding our flexible plastic recycling are thank you very much for your answer
I am very pleased to hear that a sort it centres may well be are available for people to take their plastic flexible plastic recycling to however that would involve a car journey for most people and we have to make things as easy as possible
and if Tesco's can actually have an outlet there may be sacked last Council could look at other supermarket chains and have collection points available until kerbside collection can be agreed
thank you
Commercial Road shall hump
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:22:05]
the applicant
politics
or if a candidate we'd like to
[Cllr Rachael Hunt - 1:22:13]
we would like to do it we would like to
increase recycling rates even further and certainly if local supermarkets which introduced it that is a positive in the area if it's if we construct if we will struggle to do it with kerbside then sort it centres is an additional resource I it's something I will continue to review
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:22:37]
in respect of question 42 Councillor gone do you have a supplementary question for Councillor Reid
yes yes yes yes I do
[Cllr John Gawn - 1:22:44]
during the resurfacing work at St Briavels I am at the occasion to go and visit a resident no bearing in mind that some rebels have three entrances
I tried the one at Sir west of the road and there was a road closed sign I couldn't go down I tried the one at Rodford way
road closed sign I couldn't go down and there was a diversion that that took me down to Sundridge Park and when I got there there was all types of work going on which I had no chance of getting down bearing in mind that the first two
road signs there was no work going on at all so in my question is I couldn't get down and no doubt visitors or anybody else couldn't go down the road but where there was no work guide surely that the road side should be moved further back so that visitors going into the off roads are insistent battles because there was no need to put them right at the entrance
thank you
Councillor Reid
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:23:49]
[Cllr Steve Reade - 1:23:51]
in principle I would I would agree on but not knowing the particular circumstances other than what you just said
I cannot really answer the question but if there isn't any activity on the road is safe for road users I would agree that the signing should have been moved back
in respect your question 43 Councillor Bentley do you have a
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:24:15]
supplementary question for Councillor Reid
[Cllr April Begley - 1:24:21]
i'm thank you Chairman I do have a supplementary question as I say I certainly appreciate the answer given however when the promise six-month period had passed and a report had not materialised I have not Welcomes' having to ask why the report not appeared I thank all officers who helped me when I raised the question with them and the understanding say gave if this Council is not part as yet of a solution of establishing the need for a or several transit sites is not the Council part of the problem
councillor Reid
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:25:07]
I protect thank you for your question on as you were a member I was
[Cllr Steve Reade - 1:25:12]
Chair of that task and finish group and I presented the findings to to cabinet at the time and at that time it was agreed that it would be dealt through through the Local Plan and the Local Plan was part of the JSP process are would be an outcome of the JSP process and therefore the complete solution could not be arrived at until that had worked through as we have heard previously the seasoning
that the JSP is taking a different route at this time and the Local Plan will follow
i'm
that the report would have been would have been adopted as part of the Local Plan process so
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:26:05]
in fact I cannot Cornelia apologise you did not receive it a profit out of about the process being followed
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:26:12]
[Cllr Steve Reade - 1:26:13]
in respect of question 44 Councillor Monk do you have a supplementary question for Councillor Reid
thank you
Councillor Stephenson said like many residents and filters light CIA
[Cllr Adam Monk - 1:26:24]
solution to this right readership but my question as per the one to Bemberton hasn't really been answered so let me help you into ways the administration has allocated 50 can to improve people's perception that SYFR gross off his high for money so my question really is why would you spend money on an exercise you've already completed
in 25th in your allocated 50 thousand pounds to review this piece of road
and I appreciate their reserve bid him with DFT for investment in this road but the administration is now spent in a hundred came from the public purse to conduct the same review again
why haven't why hasn't the implementation of the Rec mecca recommendations from the original review not yet been completed and to the best of my knowledge not even yet funded so surely the right thing to do in providing value for money for residents is to implement recommendations from the first review before carrying out a second review showing the supplementary question 2 is
how does the Executive Member feel this is offering value for money and when will the original recommendations being implemented
Castlereagh
quite thank you your question Adam
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:27:38]
thanks for the help on that
[Cllr Steve Reade - 1:27:39]
other than the proposal and the investigation which were taken forward is to DFT is for far larger scheme than was originally envisaged because it is dependent on Central Government's releasing the wider funding I cannot give you an answer as to when the work will be done that the investigation is due to be completed by the end of the year
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:28:08]
in respect of question 45 Councillor Monk do you have a supplementary question the Council are
[Cllr Adam Monk - 1:28:15]
I did
so
back when Highwood Rocos closed it was the Conservatives who voted to close the High would read against the backdrop of a petition with an excess of 4 thousand people
signing a petition to retain the right apeman a Council meeting which was attended with in excess of 500 residents all speaking in favour of keeping high with red apron the exception of one cyclist
said do you believe the Conservative is now going back on that proposal forced through against public when to close high would read
councillor Reid
[Cllr Steve Reade - 1:28:56]
no I don't think we are going back on that and as with any scheme thick the process moves on situations change and where it is appropriate it is it is necessary to carry out further review
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:29:14]
thank you
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:29:16]
in respect of question 46 Councillor Stansfield do you have a
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:29:24]
supplementary question I appreciate that it was originally and the remaining questions are intended for Councillor Williams but Councillor Savage is going to reply
[Cllr Jayne Stansfield - 1:29:36]
yes I do thank you very much and I parents who attended one of the pre-consultation engagement sessions for the resource space review has understood from an Officer that five years ago there were 200 SEN day pupils out of education with no placement and now there were 300 are clearly from the figures we've received that is not the case and the confusion needs to be cleared up could the Executive Member provide equivalent figures for the numbers on the SEN register who are out of education and the number of pupils electively home educated after an http is issued
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:30:12]
councillor j
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:30:15]
Onischenko Chelsea to repeat your question
[Cllr Jayne Stansfield - 1:30:20]
so apparent thoughts that five years ago there were two Hundred send pupils out of education with no placements and now that 300 clearly those figures were wrong the figures that have been provided do not show that to be the case
and we need to clear up the confusion that the parent has
so could the Executive Member please provide equivalent figures for those that are provided in our original question for the numbers that are on the SEN register who are out of education and the number of pupils who are electively home educated after an http has been issued
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:31:05]
thank you are I will not be able to answer that out right now but those detailed figures I will ask am from the from from the Department's
in response to a question 47 Councillor Stanfield again through council services
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:31:18]
[Cllr Jayne Stansfield - 1:31:19]
thank you they grafted were provided were really helpful so given the confusion of just referred to that as a comparison at the pre-consultation engagement sessions will similarly clear information be made available to parents in the documentation accompanying the consultation itself
councillor
i'm thank you Chair thank you again for your question yes we absolutely wants provide the clearest possible information to parents and on what is a very sensitive subjects not my were working very closely with South gloss parents and carers group and that is all formal link
to that that organisation that is the voice of parents with SEN team are here in South Gloucestershire
councillor spencefield in respect for question 48
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:32:11]
[Cllr Jayne Stansfield - 1:32:18]
the site could is that I got to do the next one now was that we just said sounds interesting
so the question 48 in the next round of consultation will the supporting documentation included an analysis of how the changes proposed will impact on the figures provided in this written answer and give her parents lack of confidence in the process to date with an independent external person be involved in carrying out that analysis
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:32:47]
councillor service
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:32:50]
and will include the information that is but his relevance to any proposed service changes and these are not financially driven on the Bill I accept that some context around what total budgets are in total spend and would be a helpful thing to include and but as I said we are very keen to ensure that the consultation materials that we the we produce are crafted are together with other South gloss parents and carers group so he wants as relatively consistent though so those materials can be as effective as possible
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:33:30]
in respect of question 49 Councillor Young do you have a supplementary question for Councillor Savage
[Cllr Claire Young - 1:33:41]
thank you Chair I do and with the current review of resource base permission and the clear need for additional specialist provision that is highlighted by the previous answers it's vital that we know whether our existing provision is preparing young people for adulthood in all aspects
I appreciate link to the document was provided in the answer and the difficulties it highlights in tracking outcomes but for those with ACPs it should be a more tractable problem because in many cases the Council has specific responsibilities for managing the transition to the next phase for example the Council is responsible for Mangion transition to university or and every young person has complex need the Council manages the transition to adult services
Will the Executive Executive Member therefore commit to bringing together the various teams within the Council to track outcomes for this particularly vulnerable group of young people
councillor Savage
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:34:37]
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:34:38]
thank you Claire for your question yes is absolutely important that we track and where our most vulnerable young people are as they move through the system
but also anticipating what their future needs and may be and making sure there were putting in place the investments that we need to now to ensure that they're available at unit for use on when a particular vulnerable young person and comes of a particular age and that's very much a key part of or significant capital investment plans and including around post 16 and not just the expansion of warmly Park a special school but also the new post 16 provision at the chased a campus of SGS College
so we absolutely want to get that tracking writes to ensure that we can get the proper provision in place that is just one part of our overall SEN D strategy
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:35:36]
in respect of question 50 Councillor Arrowsmith do you have a supplementary question for Councillor Savage
[Cllr James Arrowsmith - 1:35:42]
yes I do
o thought Well I must thank Councillor Williams for her response and I was very happy to read that we are working across their wave of a Councils and the CCJ
but I've all sides know what areas but the Executive Member
let's see improvements was on what the and in terms of what specific outcomes she would like to achieve these are cross
this off cross-border work together talks
Councillor Savage
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:36:16]
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:36:17]
thank you James for that for that question or we actually want to get to a position where parents don't feel they have got to fight all the time and for the support that they need and for their children and whether there whether having served fight for local authority support or fight for and support from the NHS and we absolutely wants as as us as a system though the Council working together with schools are working together with the NHS and to actually have a system that other that that can deliver the services and support that's the every vulnerable child and young person needs
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:36:59]
irrespective question 51 Councillor Sandy Row was Do you have a supplementary question for Councillor Savage
[Cllr Sandie Davis - 1:37:09]
I guess these N so service level agreements as I thank you for the answer and along with my colleague Alison Evans we've been starting to visit some of them is or spaces and access centres
one of those is now in its third year without a service level agreement despite requesting one can you tell me which other resource bases SA centres all special schools do not yet have an agreed one
councillor Savage
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:37:40]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:37:45]
in respect to question 52 Councillor Sandy Davis you have a supplementary question
[Cllr Sandie Davis - 1:37:51]
no supplementary fare
thank you there in respect of questions 53
[Cllr Sandie Davis - 1:37:58]
yes please so again thank you for your reply
I'm pleased to say that the last paragraph reads the purpose of the review is to increase provision of resource bases further now as someone who supports the role and ethos of our resource bases and has sent my child's one could you let me know when this happens please
this service
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:38:27]
thank you Chair and thank you Sunday for your supplementary or questions as obscene integral part of the resource base and access
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:38:31]
Centre Review
which we will be starting in consultation on or in the coming weeks
and that will set out where we want to increase at resource provision and fro over in our resource bases and on particularly alive to the fact that the form BRE area has no such resource bases or access centres and so that particular part of the district is absolutely a priority where we want to increase provision so as I said that review is very much about increasing provision and increasing resources going into it and not the opposite
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:39:16]
councillor Evans the for next five questions as 54 to 58 inclusive are all from yourself perhaps you'd start with question 54
[Cllr Alison Evans - 1:39:25]
thank you Chair and you will be happy to know I haven't got supplementary questions but all of them so I'll be quick and don't class
so question 54 and is light Green Primary School likely to breach its published admission number of 60 in September 20 20 if so the school would be at capacity and new classes would therefore be needed in September 20 21 a year before the plans new primary school and give
councillor Savage
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:39:59]
thank you Alison for your for your question I would need to write to you
with an answer format and as the answer to avoid being given shows there are a higher number
of children being generated within the large green van which is a significant change and from where we had other large new developments
and we clearly want to ensure that every child and young person living in that new community is able to and go to school locally
[Cllr Alison Evans - 1:40:33]
thank you in respect of question 55 cancer
thank you and question 55 I have no supplementary questions I thank you for the detailed answer and question 56 how many travel trainers do we currently have and how many do the Project Board wants to increase this to thank you
because it's about
I thank you Chair thank you for your question and you'll need a
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:40:59]
written response on that one
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:41:03]
[Cllr Alison Evans - 1:41:03]
russian 56
thank you I've got no supplementary profession for question 57 and questioned 58 my last question will this to point 8 million cover the current deficit in SEN day spending and if not what is the shortfall thank you
cards for service
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:41:23]
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:41:26]
I think what we've said is that this additional funding is a start and a significant starts towards them a bridging and what has been a significant deficits and in our funding for SEN D
the the current spend spending that was published as part of the Cabinet's Revenue Budget monitor report that went to the last Cabinet meeting I'm not I don't have those figures of top my head I would refer you back
to that report

10 Mid Year Treasury Management Monitoring Report and Prudential Indicators

[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:41:58]
thank you that that concludes section 9 so a low pass on to Section 10 the mid-year treasury management monitoring report and prudential indicators
can I please call on Councillor Chris Wood to propose the item
[Cllr Christopher Wood - 1:42:17]
thank you I am pleased to present the Annual report of the Audit and accounts Committee the Committee forms part of the Council's corporate governance arrangements and monitors the work of Internal and external Audit this annual report provides you with insight into the essential work that the committee conducts this include ensuring there is independent review and oversight of our governance functions and increasing public confidence in the objectivity and fairness of accounts were systems and processes the Annual report attached Appendix 1 provides an overview of the work of the Committee over the last 12 months since September 18 following the election in May last
following elections in May of this year the membership of a committee has significantly changed
these reports cover some of the work undertaken by the players in our ship of the Committee the Committee has received and reviewed a variety of reports throughout the year covering the usual topics of Treasury Management the annual governance statement Internal and external Audit reports and counter fraud arrangements
the Committee reviewed and approved the Council's annual governance statement in July 20 19 the financial statements have been completed and audited in line with national requirements and the Committee receive training on their role in the approval process the Committee has responsibility to monitor the Council's counter-fraud arrangements and the previous members of the Committee received a report on counter-fraud initiatives in January 2 thousand 19 the Council continues to be robust in deterring fraud
the Committee continues to receive information on various aspects of treasury management to ensure that the Council is responding to constantly changing market conditions
the new Committee has received Treasury Management training from the Council's advisors I'm happy to apply sorry excuse me I'm happy that the work of the Committee is providing the Council with the level of assurance that it needs on the governance and stewardship arrangements and I commend the Annual report to for your approval
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:44:03]
can I please call for a second
[Cllr Franklin Owusu-Antwi - 1:44:09]
councillor virtual
you may
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:44:14]
comment now on Old Europe about
[Cllr Franklin Owusu-Antwi - 1:44:18]
they're poisoning Cabinet confirmed so Franklin in turn I am pleased
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:44:29]
to second this report as presented
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:44:38]
Members do you wish to discuss
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:44:43]
[Cllr John O`Neill - 1:44:47]
thank Christmas not most exciting for the Oregon treasure hunt etc but I just thought for the benefit of members 1 paragraph 23 of them will be a bit more context as an understanding of that paragraph about the initial investment and loneliness here if needed
any other Member
I should now move to the vote
all those in favour
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:45:17]
[Cllr John O`Neill - 1:45:22]
reply
with respect to get reply
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:45:30]
but would you put the question again
[Cllr John O`Neill - 1:45:34]
yes I said yeah it's not going to support in the world but for the benefit of Members and there was quite a lot of detail in the report and especially paragraph 23 which was quite high I headline part I think for the benefit members it needed a bit more context a bit more sort of
understanding a format that is that an interim investment forecast why it was not so much lower
councillor Neil this is really not the time for a debate and you or a
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:46:07]
asking questions it is thought for it in fact for debate
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:46:14]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:46:16]
Castle Ward
[Cllr Christopher Wood - 1:46:20]
thank you Chair Councillors and ensure that a reply is circulated to you all in line with I John's question
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:46:29]
thank you Lord return to the question of the vote for all those in favour please
i'm pressed the button and then put my name up
[Cllr Mike Drew - 1:46:36]
thank you chairman are again picked on paragraph 23
thus the Chairman of the Committee expect any different this year and every other year that slippage will will be quite large by the end of the year and is there any work being done to actually understand why we are unable to plan or actual expenditure for the third year and get all our
capital Programme actually aligned with what we are actually planet to be
thank you to any other Members wish to have them
that cash I returned to the sender Sam Israeli comments I would wish to make no
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:47:28]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:47:33]
and I will get with the stone go to the vote can I ask Corsicans St
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:47:37]
wish to sum up
[Cllr Christopher Wood - 1:47:40]
thank you Chair
at once
thank has to do as you were in the Audit Committee and for the benefit of others I will ensure that a reply is circulated to all on that very question as well
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:48:04]
we will now pass to the vote all those in favour please
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:48:11]
all those against
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:48:15]
any abstentions
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:48:18]
the motion is carried

11 Review of the Members Allowances Scheme

[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:48:23]
ITEM 11 Review of Members' Allowance scheme can I please call on Councillor Toby savaged proposed the item
[Cllr Toby Savage - 1:48:33]
i'm Geoff thank you very much that of the reports are before us today members is about how we respond to the new councillors arm and change that we have seen on this Local Authority
with a backgrounds of Members that we now have
greater diversity that we now have
and how we can introduce policies that support those Members to balance a family and working life whilst effectively and are carrying out their Council duties and whether they be a Ward Member or whether they hold
special responsibility
on this Council
Home as an Authority
we have are set values we care and that provides our guiding principles around how we work or work with each other
and how we embrace diversity and respecting and championing equality for all and embracing that change and is particularly poignant that this is coming forward as it does a during national democracy Week
i'd like particularly to thank Rachel Hunt and officers for their work on how we improve our maternity and in care leaver and carer
support policy and demonstration that this Council is providing real supports our attempt to Members irrespective of their backgrounds are to ensure they can be the most effective representatives they can be that this Council couldn't be as reflective as possible of the communities that we serve
am I also welcome
the
changes in Sri days and for both the minority lead members on the regulatory or development management committees and strategic sites delivery Committee and this has been a long standing issue that Members on all sides of the Chamber have raised and or during the previous meetings where we have discussed and debated at members' remuneration I think it's right
that Members are recognised for the additional workload and responsibility that comes with holding a special responsibility
I welcome
the further review that the Panel wished to do on the posts of assistance to Executive Members
I see those roles as very much the other side of the coin when it comes to having an appropriate arrangements in place to cover members on maternity leave and sick leave and other
caring responsibilities to ensure that we have a resilience and political leadership structure that means that services can continue to be led and by elected members and
if and when the individual portfolio holder is unable to start discharge their duties for a limited period of time within those circumstances and and then finally links back to my earlier comments from minority Lead Members are being supportive of the introduction of our owner of an SRA to the Chair of the Audit and accounts Committee and for the same rationale and justification and as the Panel have found for the minority Lead Members
and so I'd like to propose and those recommendations are it in en bloc
[Cllr Rachael Hunt - 1:52:15]
thank you for that can I please call for a seconder Councillor Rachel hump
it is so important that we have the best people possible to represent our communities on the Council and so barriers should be removed there should deter people from one thing to stand for election the clear support that this report shows for those councillors who would be looking to start a family or have other caring responsibilities is a fantastic step in the right direction to provide some background to this a national census of the Local government Association in 2 thousand and 18 showed that two thirds of councillors are male and over 70 percent are over the age of 50 with almost 50 per cent over the age of 60
in the local elections in May South glosses improved upon the diversity of its previous cohort of Councillors and beaten the statistics moving from 84 percent over the age of 50 to 61 percent alongside maintaining a modest additional 3 percent of women than the national figure and it is also worth highlighting increasing the ethnic diversity of its members
the reasons for under-representation by younger and female councillors across the country are complex yet simple the Councillor role does not lend itself easily to people with young children or people with caring responsibilities with its broad variety of responsibilities and miscellaneous hours and while it is slowly changing it remains remains the case that this disproportionately affects women research undertaken by the Fawcett Society has found that a lack of maternity policies for councillors only 7 percent of councils have one and a lack of support with childcare and adult care prove significant barriers to women putting themselves forward to stand to represent their communities
I hope that Members will support the notion that by highlighting these things demonstrates no wish to erase the perspective or the valued contribution of older or male Councillors to whom that these policies will also serve when needed it's not even about ensuring there's a seat at the table as women have been able to stand as councillors since 19 0 7
it is about ensuring the valuable contribution of younger and traditionally female voices I heard and Local government by making it a more realistic prospect while juggling the demands of a young family or an ageing parents and it is my hope that the introduction of this family friendly policy including help with care arrangements were helped this
most in the Chamber will know that the past year has been rather complicated for me having spent months in and out of southmeads NICU following the birth of my daughter there is definitely a fine balance to make sure you are fulfilling both roles as a new parent and a counsellor but it is one that can be managed with the right level of support I am lucky to be part of a group and a Council that a supported me at every turn I am pleased to have been able to play a part in developing this policy over the past few months so the Council is in the future can share in those highs of new parenthood without having to worry about their role as a Councillor I want to thank officers and my fellow Cabinet Members for their efforts in working together to demonstrate how progressive we are as a Council and I am delighted to second this report
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:55:14]
are there any other Councillors who wish to speak to the item
[Cllr Rachael Hunt - 1:55:15]
Councillor Brian Hopkinson
[Cllr Brian Hopkinson - 1:55:36]
On site forget right OK we are now ready to go
rich for spot
reading that book Rodrigo I am delighted that the role of Chair for the Audit and accounts Committee has been recommended for a special responsibility allowance
it is an important function within the Council
and given the time and effort that goes into the role as well as the fact that all other Committee Chairs receive an allowance is long overdue
councillor Pat Rooney
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:56:10]
[Cllr Judy Adams - 1:56:11]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:56:21]
[Cllr Judy Adams - 1:56:22]
councillor Judy Evans
chair my red light has come on
I wanted to speak after me
shall I go before you all
thank you Chair I believe this report helps the Council look to the future I have four year old twin granddaughters who enjoy help in their communities by litter picking on me go out for a walk
I would love for them to help their communities as a Councillor when they are older and having maternity leave will give them more reason to think of doing it
councillor Pat Rooney
as with
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:57:06]
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 1:57:07]
the Labour Group obviously welcome these recommendations of course and apparent 9 and 10 the well asan 9 so greater diversity and the support for the balance work life and all this type of thing be this is no longer overdue as far as I'm concerned and as a specifically with regard to three when I am satisfied that Remuneration Panel recognised that were no decision making powers with the proposed three cabinet assistance and kept within the criteria previously applied when considering a soirees and therefore we support the Panel's recommendation of to award SR asan 3 proposed posts thank you
[Cllr Sarah Pomfret - 1:57:46]
the report
thank you Chair
as Councillor Richardson has already said this Council has welcomed what is probably the most diverse intake of Councillors ever following the local elections
not just in terms of gender and ethnicity but also age
I hope this trend continues and we see more of a reflection of our communities and our membership
at one point I believe I was the youngest Councillor on South loss
but now with a younger man
but neither the younger membership there will of course be a higher likelihood of those seeking to start a family and they should not be discouraged from having to choose between the holding office or having children
[Cllr Claire Young - 1:58:36]
councillor Claire Young
thank you Chair I too would like to support the I'm changes with to make it to support carers better when I first joined this Council in 2 thousand and 7 my youngest was only 14 months old and I'm certainly the the arrangements for carrot carer support here are better than the when place one when I was first doing this and I am pleased to see that the PCC the Panel listened to what we had to say on the issue of the post of assistance to Executive Members
I think
whilst I appreciate that sir you know every great wishes to bring on and support new members to develop into leadership roles I'm sure we all have ways of doing that and I'm pleased that this has been
put off for 12 weeks of consideration again so that when there is more evidence of how this is working
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:59:41]
[Cllr Claire Young - 1:59:41]
councillor James Arrowsmith
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 1:59:49]
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 1:59:50]
yes it's moving around
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 1:59:52]
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 1:59:53]
councillor Ruth Davis
to
I just like to lighten the mood
a bit erm
we were saying about actually guessing young people too to get involved and I actually had just had John and when I started on overtaken District Council
I know
i'm not shy I know how old I am and I can tell anybody who is interested
but my point is that
we have a situation where I was involved with a young baby exactly as you were Rachel I it was interesting and very challenging and I can applaud the fact that we are looking at things like maternity leave because it was incredibly difficult and I was expected to do everything everybody else did and I too was in a senior role I interrupt going abroad in fact as well so the fact that we are looking forward we used to have carer's allowance that is only a parts of it are I really do applaud the fact that we are being more realistic about how to support our Councillors thank you
[Cllr James Arrowsmith - 2:01:07]
councillor James Arrowsmith
you can now speak
thank you very much Chair
well I also support the
the carer and 30 year supports that the council now be offering a I'm
I will not I will not try and hold the progress and as such but I am a little concerned to see that there are in terms of weevil to diversity with not a diversity of sexuality I urge her to call an e-mail Fred housing with the diversity Trust and Councillor Bolton where he work I find embarrassing for a moment here whereas filled sylwadau say he wasn't the only gain a village
a and a
so I would hopefully next time becomes review have a look at that as well and also just in terms of us having more young representation on the Council some of the issues which young people currently have a especially in this area is a lack of a secure almost I'm not quite as good secure accommodation sought knowing that many rents many young people can afford a house the average house prices the average of the Time buyer deposit in Bristol is 54 thousand pounds which I can confirm is something I am not even close to earning myself a
and so hopefully that could be looked into in future Berta I would hope perhaps I won't help I will not halt progress
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:02:45]
thank you for that no other Councils have indicated their intention to speak so Councillor Savage
do you wish to sum up
[Cllr Toby Savage - 2:02:53]
I am happy to move straight to the voucher
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:02:56]
then I shall move straight to the vote
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:03:00]
all those in favour please
all those against
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:03:05]
any abstentions
the motion is carried

12 Review of the Code of Conduct and related procedures

[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:03:11]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:03:16]
I can 12 the review of the code of conduct and related procedures can I please call on Councillor Paul Hughes to propose the item
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:03:27]
thank you Chair and Members I am really pleased to
present the Code of Conduct and review of procedures at the regulatory committee has recently reviewed the Council's adopted code of conduct the review follows the publication of the latest report from the Committee on Standards in public Life
this Committee report to government on ethical standards in local government and the latest review was undertaken to assess whether the current framework does provoked and maintain the high standard expected by the public
regulatory committee reviewed our existing code
against the recommendations in the report and is very pleasing to report that our Code was robust
in that it already complies with a number of the recommendations
the regulations the Committee does however recommend some amendments to the code so as to ensure it remains robust and fit for purpose
the main amendments relate to the introduction of a definitive a definition of bullying and harassment and an amendment to the value of gifts and hospitality that Members are requested to recorded on the register
alongside the review of the code of conduct it was an appropriate opportunity for the regulatory committee to also review the current procedures in place for management of complaints
the Committee considers that the procedure for managing complaints can be streamlined with initial assessment being carried out by officers in conjunction with an independent person
the revised procedures now recommended to Council recognise the important role the Standards Sub-Committee continues to have in the overall process and it will continue to have oversight of the procedures in addition the regulatory committee will receive an Annual complaints report and I thoroughly recommend this forum proposed to Milan proposal proposal
thank you for that but can I please call for a second
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:05:30]
do you wish to speak now or sailor comes for later
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:05:35]
councillor Mike drew
[Cllr Kim Scudamore - 2:05:40]
this
next earlier about Assembly
Hall though then Naffah socially councils are still concerned about the lack of teeth within
[Cllr Mike Drew - 2:06:01]
the A standard procedure are and obviously with them many year town or parish councils there are it is much harder for
with given small numbers of staff where
Councillors can bully and officers and officers can feel very much intimidated from reporting it and the fact that there is very little real action can be taken
that's not the problem that's not the Southern was awaiting to hear but it is something that the I don't really want
trying to
improve the situation nationally and
that certainly
was the year I think
that the Parish
Council section sector would like to see
councillor Trust and Club
[Cllr Tristan Clark - 2:06:55]
thank you Chair
we fully accept the outgoing proposals
especially the sections on bullying and harassment
I think this outlines the importance that the Council's investigations remain confidential
especially because victims of bullying and harassment are far less likely to come forward if they fear that sensitive information might be leaked to the press
[Cllr Kim Scudamore - 2:07:21]
celtic inscrutable but thank you Jack yet I do sometimes come across the group pedant food I do apologise but on page 1 to 4 paragraph 5 7
I think there might be one or two words missing from the wording because it doesn't actually read properly I think maybe there's another maybe are bought and an and missing somewhere politest
suggest that look at again before it gets finally filed away somewhere
as the years I take it you're arrangement
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:07:55]
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:07:57]
0yes chair Kim if you can send your mail and I will get it get it sorted thanks
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:08:04]
are there any other Councillors who wish to speak to this item
that's a here she wished to sum up
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:08:12]
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:08:15]
now tell us find them I'd like to go directly to the to the vote if we may
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:08:20]
I shall therefore move to the vote all those in favour
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:08:26]
all those against
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:08:30]
any abstentions
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:08:33]
carried unanimously
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:08:38]
item 13 the West of England Partnership and regional issues can I please call on Councillor Toby savaged to introduce the item

13 West of England Partnership and Regional Issues

[Cllr Michael Bell - 2:08:47]
[Cllr Mike Drew - 2:09:05]
[Cllr Toby Savage - 2:09:09]
I chat our Chair thank you thank you very much for that Members this is the regular West of England Regional issues report that we have a standing item
on all Full Council agenda
you will see that the Joint Spatial Plan section is longer than it normally is
to highlights the the developments that we had over the last
couple of months with to inspector's letters are not intending to redoubts are of a commentary and on that earned but will respond to comments are the OBR puts at me on this and cap are members of the other or relevant portfolios are also tried to answer or respond to any comments that are made
[Cllr Mike Drew - 2:10:00]
councillor Mike drew
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:10:06]
thank you Chair this is optically on addressing
the Joint Spatial Plan section
of
this report says the inspectors have raised a number of concerns I think you should have listened to what trapped had set has said very eloquently are at the public question time the the inspectors did not raise a number of concerns they said there were fundamental concerns about the soundness of the process and the land and the plan that was produced and I think you should ask tractors indicated not merely mouth and tried excuse yourself and find it actually has said that the route that the whole process has been a failure and that you should take responsibility and do ask the track has indicated make sure you really are starting afresh obviously some of the data you have collected will be useful for it but the actual means and
the goal of the plan should be
started as a fresh and please at colleges are strapped to set and said that the deal that was that report the plan produced is not fit for purpose as the inspectors have said
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 2:11:32]
councillor Pat Rumi please
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:11:34]
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 2:11:34]
check and if
we got to the gas
pay parity 10 whilst in the past with the Labour Group have been involved in Pancks before but the current situation but all trust has broken down due to recent ad hoc decisions imposed by this administration we will not be attending packs however we are not abdicating our responsibility as we will be holding separate meetings opposition meetings with directors and CEO but are thought we should make it clear
[Cllr Maggie Tyrrell - 2:12:06]
councillor Maggie terror
thank you Chair
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:12:11]
refer to paragraph 13 on the Joint Local Transport Plan are I am confessed and somewhat puzzled that a final version of the plan which would be prepared later in 20 19 given that they are the that plan was closely aligned with JS pay I can't quite see how
that fits with the current situation can we have some clue as to how this will be handled and it was always planned that this this Transport Plan was closely aligned
with the JSP much of it
is around the
the strategic development locations the employment sites etc. But since that all now seems to be up in the air where goes the transport plan
[Cllr Sam William Scott - 2:13:06]
as the son William Scott I'm so clearly a lot of time and money went time money and officer time went into the JSP the Inspector's comments don't make for great reading from this Council what reassurances can the Member of the Executive Members provides us regular members with the council won't be throwing away time money and resources and will be delivering a comprehensive planning strategy going forward and what lessons have we learnt
[Cllr Michael Bell - 2:13:32]
councillor Michael Bell I have not heard the news of those sat on the
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:13:37]
front of a console years sports stepped off the plane from Brussels with a piece of paper to sound imitation Neville Chamberlain because I'm
because it will affect the the funding of the European Opera 21 sorry Parker 21 it will affect the application for funding from Learning Disability people for new European social fund what are foreign stuber will reflect how children's 34
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:14:00]
[Cllr Michael Bell - 2:14:01]
councillor Claire Young
let
[Cllr Claire Young - 2:14:09]
thank you yes again relating to address p it was clear at the meetings that the AGM that the inspectors felt that the process had been flawed and there was much made on the side of the councils about the fact this was the first time this process the sort of a document being prepared at word Joint a Joint Spatial Plan of this sort but in the meantime I understand that other councils have been proceeding and I wonder whether this Council is seeking to look at what any of them her about
what any of them have been doing to see whether lessons can be learned from other areas on how to proceed with a Joint Spatial Plan
councillor Ian Bolton
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 2:14:58]
thank you Chair I am wondering on the work for everyone if you're aware that the staff that are delivering latte in South loss to the the Building better opportunities
programme that we have here which is part of the we work for everyone and they've been
issued their redundancy notices because this funding hasn't come through yet we are told that the funding is sat somewhere in Whitehall waiting to come however because it's not yet been assured the staff have had to be given their redundancy notices and it's really so unsettling not only for obviously the staff everyone involved in that programme including the clients of their working with and if you could check into that place
[Cllr John O`Neill - 2:15:45]
councillor John O'Neill
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:15:50]
he has also done relating to the Joint Spatial Plan the information we have received has let us from inspectors very listless come from worker or from the unitary authorities
I have the misfortune to have two of these Estelle's in my ward and quite frankly the resident there they really need to know what's going on there's no information common for the residents
commission propagator a briefing note to the residents
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:16:19]
members this item is for information
only are but I will ask Councillor Savage
if there's any comment
that he wished
to make before
I move on
[Cllr Toby Savage - 2:16:32]
I traffic while trying to response to add to the comments that Members
have made some of which do overlap prefer with each other and have been repeated
it's all start with Mike's comments
he I take very seriously what traps and and others have said to us today and they've been very consistent in their in their views from the very starts with with the Jackson
we I make no apologies for the level of ambition that we the we tried to show as a sub region in embarking on what at the time was the first such
a city region based a planning document in the country
and there is something to be said for not wanting for not going first
because we have faced all of the issues that others have been able to learn from us and scratchy those other areas that have embarked down down down down this round
I know have have been picking up the phone to us as a as a West of England regularly to understand how they can avoid and some of the issues that we've the we've experienced
and
I make no no qualms about the level of disappointments the that we have that Sir all that time and effort that's gone into this this plan and there are many many hundreds of hours of officer work i'm not to mention the time that the Members and members of the public have have put into a in attending meetings and events as this this processes has gone through its respective stages
one point or another point that you made Mike was around the that we should be able to them there will be work that we've done as part of this process the will be able to carry through into into whatever the next our processes and because the challenges that we had when we started this JSP process haven't gone away and we still need to plan for the future homes jobs and infrastructure needs an opt for our City region
south gotcha residents don't live their lives by where the South Gloucestershire boundaries and we do need to make sure that we are working closely with our neighbours that to ensure that we are making sound decisions and the guide the future developments of our area over the coming decades on
our heart nation
how does the savages making comments about me which I think the earth may not run through what I said I'd made no point about the lack of m offshore and the do anything by itself
he referred to the data
now my police
Safer you you made comments about the data and I've said that there's a lot of that work we will be able to take take forward
now that's fine but the data point you you inhabit yes I know and I have now responded to that I will now move on to two other members of patent very disappointed to hear that the Labour Group won't be participating in that cross party and PAG process and
I don't quite understand how you can be taking responsibility seriously if you're not wanting to be in that room to be shaping things and as we all Mischa as Azra on this journey
that is a value a big disappointment for the communities of of Kingswood Staple Hill Filton and Patchway and Mangotsfield or who won't be represented in that process moving forward that said you will continue to receive the invitations and if you choose not to attend those meetings and then then then that is entirely a matter than for you are in terms of the Joint Local Transport Plan that Maggie there are elements of significant elements of that plan that we can move forward with and bank without needing a team of resolved the issues around the Joint Spatial Plan they were both
aligns them but there are pressing issues that we have to deal with now around transport so that that is the thinking
behind why that document and will continue to progress and through the decision-making process
Sam raised issues around less lessons to be learned and I think I've made this point earlier that we were the first in the country to go down this route and the biggest lesson is the difficulty with going first and all the pitfalls and and problems the facts that that entails and that other areas have been happening or will be able to learn lessons from us and indeed have been learning lessons for us as we have progressed through them through every stage of the process
Mike you raise the issue of Brexit not entirely sure how and where he would respond to that and in terms of its relevance to the Joint Spatial Plan
Claire I think I picked up your point about lessons lessons from other from other areas
I think that needs to be that two way lessen learning not only for people to learn lessons from us but also for us to learn lessons
in other areas
and John your point on the Joint Spatial Plan
that I think that's my expectation is there are December Council meeting will be far fuller are in the information around the next steps that is a process of reducing to agree jointly with our other West of England's her council colleagues and by nature of having to get back four-way agreements and things do take longer and to reach agreement but it certain my expectation that whilst we've got
at the end of this year some information here and I fully expect more information to be available over the coming months and we absolutely will be communicated that to residents and when when when they have mentioned is ready to do so and I wanted to communicate that through the local members for those affected areas
and then I think that was all the comments on the JSP and I and the JLT pay in and Ian are your comments around the we work for everyone
I don't disagree with that and we have said we do need to move on and to get this programme in place and litter and to continue to put together the funding package and that is needed in order to put it
into into into practice and that continues to be a priority for us and in ensuring all of that work together on what is a very important
agenda which is ensuring the all of our vulnerable residents where there are children in SEN D or adults with learning difficulties and there were giving them the support that they need to flourish
are Chair think that concludes all the comments that were opposed up to me
yes
Over the two-year
thank you for that Members this item was for information only and I
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:23:50]
shall therefore move on to the next item of business which are the motions
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:23:56]
councillors received two motions this evening

14 Motions

motion 1 reducing vehicle idling to prevent air pollution can I please call on Councillor Pat trawl to move the motion
[Cllr Pat Trull - 2:24:15]
yes thank you and we believe that an idling engine at can produce twice as much and exhaust emissions as an engine are actually emotion demonstrating that Idonated engines contribute significant Scissett sorry significantly to poor
air quality and a child health impacts on child health
and I believe we have to investigate the best way for possible and to
for two
at reduced this
impact on our health and I believe that unless there are good sanctions are On car drivers
I don't believe we were really will move forward with this
thank you for that families are core on a Councillor to second the
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:25:13]
motion
[Cllr Pat Trull - 2:25:14]
earth
Louise Harris
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:25:20]
[Cllr Pat Trull - 2:25:20]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:25:24]
[Cllr Pat Trull - 2:25:25]
you may comment now also becomes too late
[Cllr Pat Trull - 2:25:32]
like to open the debate are there any Councillors who wish to speak to the item
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:25:37]
[Cllr Pat Trull - 2:25:37]
that's the patrol
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:25:49]
councillor Steve Reed
[Cllr Steve Reade - 2:26:11]
one of the wonders of technology
part
thank you for your motion I probably doesn't need a microphone thank you off your promotion I support the principle of the motion but feel it does not quite get to the heart of the problem I inconsiderate drivers leaving their vehicles running when they don't need to
I therefore propose some modifications
to the motion which I presume
on the screen now
in summary I propose that an investigation is carried out to identify all ways always that this issue can be tackled starting around schools not just taking a legislative route a report will be brought to Cabinet within 3 months
thank you
can I have a seconder for the amendment please
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:27:09]
councillor Stokes
he wished to speak now I will speak later
councillor Andrew Reid
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:27:17]
[Cllr Brenda Langley - 2:27:20]
meanwhile began
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:27:28]
as Councillor Reid
thank you Chair
I call she's been a big issue in Kingswood for a long time we had dared consultation in 2 thousand 12
and again in 2 thousand 15 I am happy to support this as is because we
have a report that is current at the moment where studies been done where it's shown that the difference between a memory capacity for people in
less polluted areas compared to people with living with high air pollution is actually about 10 years
i'm web walking our children to schools in this leg got our cyclists who are trying to do the clean thing and a briefing at all in around them I think it's a sensible idea particularly in light of the fact that we've just called a climate emergency
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:28:32]
let us get anything any of these matters
as was the case in Cambridge
15
I am honestly not one researcher
On a shorter sentence got a copy of the map and I understand
there are those who sets out a proposed programme cuts
he definitely not to be seen good sound
he outlined briefly I policy
he has popped into my which read it
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:29:27]
the
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:29:34]
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:29:34]
the consensus remains are harbouring resentment
here's what we are doing that now
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:29:47]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:29:51]
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:29:51]
whilst the
item is being sent to you I think we'll have a short adjournment
can I suggest 10 minutes
25 to will return
it
respondees pressure
the
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:30:13]
I was just literally I was just going to say No civil whether amendment but I haven't told them what it is
but can I point out that they didn't bother to tell people in the time that was agreed anyway
this leads to give notice of amendments I 6 o'clock year 6 18 again in the
but only seats 56 off he never still way
I have got to remember that good work
the one that was shaking ahead whether it is the same as working in the
area of ocean
of attention
right
the thing I managed it
not
very long ago
it has
been decided yet
workers' Glasgow I was literally just going to just a minute of the final
yeah yeah
yes socially just cycle proposed an additional half an appeal things yes yes
4
Trump achievement and the second one yet their amendment that
but not the other
of this Planning Committee will yet
again
the
that's what one is off the second half year
par
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action
somebody had three position
I shared services
outstanding stores are always
drops out for five minutes
loneliness
project
working change now
unlike 3 anti-cancer
this was working
thank you
the first obviously the Members got to go through so the one suggested what first I'm just
in the fire
them
until the carers do not join the children's
champion cause to make the stop this from at one point so this is the first one is had yeah yeah so basically on doing his inserting manner
because we have another educating their amendment
the minutes suggest
that a member or member
and then the second one then getting through to on Europe generally
unsustainable
the level of abuse just my colleague Claire
I know you are agreeing to it
the
cooler system
what was the most
what
the
sorry
yes
on Tuesday
although the levy
once
Members can ask Members can I ask you to take your seats please
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:43:46]
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:43:47]
information from the applicant towards anything over
I came
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:44:05]
members
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:44:06]
yes
Eskinazi with as he was thinking she was going on there she was furious yes I don't really understand what you say sorry
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:44:21]
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:44:22]
members I will resume the debate
and the first speaker
booked in is Councillor Ruth Davis
thank you Chair if we suggest you give or give notice in the further amendment are
I don't know if you want me to give you details of that now or wait until we voted on this initial amendment
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:44:46]
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:44:46]
this has to wait until
the
that's why not just giving me notice thank you to
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:44:55]
Councillor Mike drew
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:44:56]
I think we really need to see
[Cllr Mike Drew - 2:45:05]
the Conservative amendment because we know that all their members are basically watered down the proposals and try make it off the so the Conservatives are in favour of some action but not actually
as constructed
[Cllr Christopher Wood - 2:45:21]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:45:21]
councillor Christopher Wood
[Cllr Christopher Wood - 2:45:22]
o me
I actually have great sympathy with the end goal of the motion
and therefore support the proposed amendments as I think it is wise that we do fully consider all the options available to us to reduce emissions outside of local schools I live round the corner from our local schools and certainly don't want to see cars just sat idling causing pollution so it is a very important issue I am a little concerned that the 20 pounds fine won't be an effective deterrent give him that I understand the mechanisms of actually observing a stationary idling vehicle for long enough then issue a 20 pounds fine is difficult to enforce hence my belief that a more in-depth study only over a three month period
is a a more preferential option because I absolutely do believe it is an important issue and I do totally understand the merits of the original motion which is why I think the amendment allows us to investigate it properly in order to achieve the end aim
[Cllr Jo Buddharaju - 2:46:23]
councillor Joe bedroom
I am well I'm not a media person but as we all know most people listen to radio when they are in their cars either driving right idling so if we are able to raise awareness and reasoning why idling can have a negative impact on their home environment then hopefully it will give them a reason to change their behaviour so
councillor Louise Harris
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:46:55]
[Cllr Louise Harris - 2:47:00]
are right OK it is really weird isn't it that Red and Green the wrong way round of football coach life my brain can't cope with that
yes I think I was very happy to second the original motion and I was like maybe quite wouldn't use Mike's phrasing it does seem a bit of a shame that this motion
the amendment to the motion is not quite kicking it into the long grass but not perhaps acknowledging what we've actually already got I don't really understand why there is a call for further research and studies and all that sort of thing when there is absolutely masses of research into this subject and I remember first looking at air pollution when I was on the GLA in 2 thousand select nearly 20 years ago when I had to learn about Knox's and God knows what else have chemistry not been my best subject the government has clean air plans for council or council areas to be involved with any way you I have recently released a report into inequality and traffic related pollution because it is very often the children who are the children whose families don't have because you are walking who are getting a poisoned at my the YEP parents who can't afford the cars so that that's an interesting angle on it though we know that there is a vehicle emissions when the engines idling produces twice as much exhaust emissions as an engine in motion and
Chris Christie's mentioned the the the legislation while one thing that I do find a bit sad actually is or some of you may or may not know that via a Hobhouse did actually tried to introduce a private member's bill to pick up on some of these issues the vehicle emissions idling
Bill it was called and the idea was that this would increase the penalties for stationary vehicles where the engines were idling and it would grant local authorities more power to issue such penalties while unfortunately the the this wasn't supported and that the Bill fell at its first stage but this was looking at exactly these kind of things so it is a bit disappointing that in south calls were not using legislation that is already there and that our local MPs didn't support legislation to make this better so this is why I don't think I can support the amendment when it's it's making things worse not better and I appreciate that the the best interests may have been to make it better but we don't need further studies we don't need further information we need to do what we are already allowed to do which I wouldn't have actually thought was that difficult
Councillor Franklin note was
[Cllr Franklin Owusu-Antwi - 2:49:52]
before to take on these powers and tried to actively enforce them it would mean having to locate council staff waiting outside schools on a regular basis if it is to have any effect
I agree with the amendment that we should really be looking at this various powers a bit closer before jumping in feet-first
councillor Robert Hughes
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:50:18]
thank you Chair and
[Cllr Paul Robert Hughes - 2:50:24]
speaking supporting amendment or what they think the schools the the obvious place where we should want me to change
are but we shouldn't be afraid of thinking a little wider
I would hope looking at using these potential powers elsewhere at such as our town centres and their public open space can also be considered it might be a little tricky with private land
but when you have people with the engine running while their other half nips into a shop while waiting to pick the kids up from Sport practice on the weekend it's no different than outside schools
councillor Claire Young
[Cllr Claire Young - 2:51:05]
I do feel there may be some misunderstandings of my original motion am that becoming apparent to listening to the comments about the amendment
we did indeed mentioned schools are because of the obvious danger children and actually ain't and enforcement are parking enforcement officers are already
carrying out enforcement of the parking at those schools and
so they actually have the opportunity there to enforce them
and the amendment which I would not have a my I would not have minded an amendment which
added
a clarification that about doing campaigns and education because absolutely that was part of what we envisaged in the
the question that report goes to Cabinet within 3 months to set out how this is to be permitted effectively when we discuss his good River officers because we don't make the singer things up
on the fly we do discuss them
and we had talked about the need for education and some sort of campaign
so you know we would be quite happy to accept an amendment that that clarified that and set that out but we can I cannot support an amendment which takes away
the option of using these powers
that gives you the aesthetic at the end of the process after you have done the education and and the campaigns and I think you need in your back pocket the ability to take enforcement action because we see this with the parking which is in I'm sure as the 1 one of the banes of every Councillors life is parking around schools and we know there there are many schemes that are tried to educate putting banners are opened and PCSOs working with youngsters to
prepare their own
sort of leaflets and so on on the grounds that have more impact company kids all the sorts of things go on but ultimately
we have the powers of enforcement and we use that power so I cannot understand why in this case
i'm the amendment seeks to remove
that
attempts to take on those powers in this case because the to think similarly allowed just to me and I cannot see why we would want to specifically rule rule be ruling out the adoption of of those powers and be so and yet I you may come back and say Well I was on this your amendment because you say it's
you know we're going to review it but you have your clearly entering into that process with your comments
on the ability to enforce
no
notice is that you set your entering into it not in the spirit that you're going to consider that as a realistic option so therefore I think this amendment should not be supported
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 2:54:16]
councillor but Rooney
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:54:21]
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 2:54:22]
we will be supporting this because I have read air quality report over the many years that we've actually had them when I was Lead Member on his her yes and each time they've come you know they reported upon the idling in Kingswood especially at all round the different needs of sets of lights and everything so I do agree that to a degree that this information is in the forefront of the people do have this information if they just researchers but I don't see a problem of risk of supporting this because it look I went ahead anyway so hopefully this is progress
I have no one else's it berm indicate they wish to speak so can I ask the second of Ben Stokes if he wishes to make commonplace
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:55:03]
[Cllr Ben Stokes - 2:55:07]
get so out between 28
thousand
36 thousand people die each year from conditions attributable directly to air pollution I don't that in the UK I don't think there is any doubt that we all agree that urgent action is needed in this area and this is a clear step in the right direction for South Gloucestershire that means one in 20 deaths are attributable to conditions directly linked to
poor air quality are a particular quality it's a staggering figure when you see it like that we all on the same page but what I what
I think
motions is saying we want to build on this very laudable aspiration and we want to recognise with further understanding and looking into the detail what the implications are at really organ amount to I think we're not saying we will consider the powers to it have penalties I think we just want to understand the complex consequences and all trying to build on
the whole repertoire The whole swathe of resources and measures that we can so that this authority is taking on the responsibility that it should to have a joined-up approach and show the way really in how we can change behaviours or for which we all have a part to play but legislatively in a joined-up approach so
I support the motion I moved the motion or second motion on
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:56:56]
can I ask Councillor Edith who wishes to sum up please
[Cllr Steve Reade - 2:57:05]
thank you
very simply
were not going to
repeat the monitoring to prove the need
thank you
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:57:19]
we will now move to the vote on the amendment
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:57:24]
so can I seek those in favour of the amendment please vote No
those against
abstentions
the motion is carried the amendment is carried
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 2:57:45]
we now go to the main motion as amended
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 2:57:51]
Ruth Davis
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 2:57:52]
[Cllr Claire Young - 2:57:58]
he was guilty of me and get help
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 2:58:03]
thank you Chair I've lost 3 not just bear with me a second because it is completely gone
on what it will do is apologise now for not circulating this earlier but it suddenly came to me and I realised that we were going to lose
the vote on on this particular amendment that it doesn't actually address the real elephant in the room
especially talking to schools
now I am one of those people that can't stand in traffic because I got a lung condition so had very close to my heart
are and I don't want other children and other people to go through that just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time
so what's annoyingly now about this that's come through as the the amendment is the fact that
we are talking about people in cars outside schools with children in them
and children walking outside when actually what we should be educating people about which is not mentioned here in your publicity campaign is the fact that those people shouldn't be in cars outside the schools with the children in the first place what we should be educating people in areas today is actually to walk their children's school actually or cycled school with them for several reasons one is specified everybody else to is better for them years ago I went on a school trip with the children from the primary school as you do as a parent we went the place over at Bath and I'm talking 40 years ago now are probably certainly 35
0towpath where you can go underneath outweighed the munitions and things were were kept and this was a school trips overlook the seals or by exciting stuff
after about five minutes quite a few of the primary school children then were complaining they didn't want this far
it was only about a mile
those children had lost the ability because they were ferried everywhere to walk any great distance nor I hate to say it folks but is even worse now because their ferry to school a very back from school the ferry to anything they want to do or even worse they sit in their bedrooms
hunched over computers phones or suffer a loss of the time so their physical health and frankly the mental health as well because you don't get to smell the flowers or anything else we hear the birds and it's not good so what I would like to do is add the following words if you write them down then not very many on the not solely when it actually insert them it's and other carers
i'm trying to be polite here and I could have been a lot more forceful and other carers not to drive their children to school comma but if they must too
OK as other carers not to drive their children to school comma but if they must show
okay I'm not has got to be inserted in the 2 3 this earth or glass paragraph in the third line after parents so that sentence reads this can initially start with schools encouraging parents and other carers not drive their children to school but if they must do
to not idle outside the schools because of the harm it does to their children not exploit other children are
OK that's what I'm proposing
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:01:46]
taking voice
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:01:59]
can I have a seconder for that motion
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:02]
so clear
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:07]
that you want to speak now or reserve account
[Cllr Steve Reade - 3:02:11]
they
councillor Reid
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:17]
job I agree and I welcome that amendment
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 3:02:23]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:26]
[Cllr Pat Rooney - 3:02:26]
anybody else want to speak to that amendment
yes we support that as well
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:37]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:39]
Ruth do you wish to sum up
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:45]
then we will take a vote on the amendment can those in favour of the amendment please indicate
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:54]
the motion is carried
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:02:58]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:03:01]
we now vote on the main motion as amended
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:03:09]
all those in favour
all those against
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:03:15]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:03:17]
the abstentions
the motion is carried
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:03:20]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:03:30]
I move the second motion sites visit by Planning Committee Councillors can I please come call on Councillor Adrian rush to move the motion
[Cllr Adrian Rush - 3:03:41]
hello there are
this is not done in any
there is just purely interest of efficiency
for those Councillors that don't know
I have been amazed by the number of such a number of planning applications have been called to
the Committee that are then
applicability have just gone to sites and then that means that
residents come to the Committee
it goes to sites and then you have to come to the Committee again it makes the Council look very silly we should be able to be able to cause
call sites two sites so that issues that we should planning applications two sites in a much easier way than we do now if they should have to go to committee it's obvious that some of those applications that can lead to go to sites in order to make a decision and what's happening now is completely
cynnydd spotless with you you go to Committee who go to cites the need go back to Committee again it should go to sites then the Committee like it used to
thank you
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 3:04:59]
can I have a seconder for that motion please
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:05:04]
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 3:05:04]
i'll no open the debate Councillor Jon Hunt
and thanked the Chair when I first read this motion it on first reading seem to make good sense in order to speed up the process and the officer with the current system we haven't face it eliminates an opportunity for residents to have or have a voice they go to the original meeting and they can voice their opinions they can point out to Councillor is exactly what it is they wish to be seen on the site
and when it goes to sites Councillors know exactly what the local residents issues are before it comes back for a final decision
so because of that
I think it's difficult to support as it currently is and we have circulated an amendment for less obviously the new planning policy came in 12 months ago and we did say at the time that like all policies they do need reviewing after 12 months we made a commitment that he would review that and so that is now coming up November would be the 12 month Mark and our amendment is busy acknowledging that we would do a full review which can take in the comments from the Lib Dem notion and said it they can all be assessed at the same time
I think think we should be taking a piecemeal approach to making changes to the policy if we are going to do a review then we can look at everything all at once or through November onwards and then at the May Council meeting it can all form parts of the of the AGM the constitution
so because of that I would like to move the amendment that we have circulated
I have a seconder for the amended motionless
[Cllr Mike Drew - 3:06:45]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:06:54]
[Cllr Mike Drew - 3:06:55]
councillor Keith Birch and do you wish to speak now the older commits to later
it
[Cllr Michael Bell - 3:07:11]
[Cllr Matthew Riddle - 3:07:15]
[Cllr Keith Burchell - 3:07:20]
I kojak there's no doubt about it that the changes that have
been made of taking the Council forward but there are complications with it that could have only been found realistically by the practical application of those processes these have come to the forefront
our previous system were filled with issues that left us exposed to appeal and subsequent cost the Council in the UK where
it also gave less power to residents to have their say
this review should be looking to take us forward and not backwards
Lincolnshire
[Cllr Trevor Jones - 3:07:57]
councillor Trevor Jones
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:07:59]
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:08:01]
I
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:08:06]
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:08:06]
change will go for Claire young men come back
I think I meant to be about 5 down the list I clearly the forcefulness in which you press the button
yes I am I've just isolated to respond really to that last point at he says quite correctly that I found to jump the queue
this is not an unexpected consequence some of us raised this
during the when this the proposals first came out before ever came to a council vote even and certainly we it was something
we saw this potential for delay at that stage and the reason I don't think is erm I support this amendment is the ink delays fixing an obvious problem and I would be quite happy to propose a further amendment to restore the rights of people to speak at Committee at the site visits
which would remove the issue that Sir cancer Hunt raised are
that
by this amendment just simply pushes
the problem on foot for longer and if we're not going to make changes until the May Council
I don't see why it has to wait for then given that we made the Council can be the changes at a joint meeting before it's just postponing it and many will have another six months or more of six seven months of
the inefficiencies in the current system and I thought this a threat was almost risibly Allred value for money efficiencies but this introduces
inefficiency into the system and if the ARU concern is residents being able to point out things that should be looked at a site visit the appropriate way to fix that would be to allow them to speak at site visit again thank you
[Cllr Michael Bell - 3:09:56]
councillor Michael Bell but the Local Group supports the amendment
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:10:01]
councillor Matthew Riddle
a
I certainly support this amendment
the right way to go
[Cllr Matthew Riddle - 3:10:15]
he said at the time this new system was put in place that we would review it
and so we should
and it's some things are working that's great
but others need a second book and at least we've got some some experiences and data are to influence a positive reviews I am very firmly supportive of the amendment thank you
councillor Mike true
[Cllr Mike Drew - 3:10:39]
I co-chair cannot be clear if you want to do to you and I'm sure you do you do not need this motion to do it you have the power just of undertaken so the only purpose of having this amendment is to weaken what we have said now I again we're not changing policy where just changing or tweaking a procedure which people do now is not working well now as a minor the whole tweet but will make efficiency
or so it can be done and will not stop any further review or asked for
members of the public in upset that they don't have to come to to council to Planning Committee meetings to express their views rather than one I'm sure there will be huge numbers that will be so upset not so please but don't bother with this are rejected
this just reject this amendment get on with your review and await and set the whole truth that we want
councillor David
[Cllr Ruth Davis - 3:11:50]
thank you Chair
I was trying to ask for enough speech and on
most of you will know I hate planning with a passion
are so I just about got to grips with the old planning procedures and in comes a new law and frankly it just completely blew my mind didn't read one player the had so obviously aren't now unless I've got this rotten what happens is planning applications are centred upon to the website and residents and anybody else in the world can put back comments on the websites so we know if there's a problem what the residents again or say OK it's not it's not Sunday coming out of field is on the website I quite often what happens if the planning and the officers address those issues in their comments in report now what happens then is some Members think no they haven't got the whole drift of what was being said here so the procedure is the local member has to go and see the planning officer whose named on the thing because I had to declare and you have to explain why you don't agree what they put in their recommendations so again no surprise to anybody as to what the problems are and he then you have to find another person to agree to what you said as well and job planning development control prison in our case James
that then kicks things off the circulated schedule might so then unless I've got this wrong what has it goes on the circulated schedule and then if we still don't agree with what's what's on there that's it
it goes to Committee now
what other stuff eager to get by threatening the residents through the first meeting that you haven't already got either on the planning application the responses to the planning application or the reasons why the Councillor has referred it to compensate and the officer's response but you
don't know already because I don't know what there is apart from what we already saying that what happened as we come to the Planning Committee
we replacing all again and then all right was sent it cites Well
where are the repeating what we referred it to Committee for in the first place so what you've done is you meant
formerly the Local Councils got a waste energy and petrol getting here because for Michael if you there's no buses are
all the Committee has got sit around for an extra timely to have two
and the poorer residents I've got come twice now for people that are ranked Kingswood perhaps I saw a problem
for people over the foreign to Charfield and Thorn brave and 7 7 5 minutes
That's a hell of a lot of travelling time I thought we were having a climate change emergency sought a review of what we were trying to do to sort the save carbon emissions and stuff
this would save time it would save if it would be more efficient and it would actually save a lot of petrol fumes and idling on the way
[Cllr Trevor Jones - 3:15:10]
councillor Trevor Jones thank you Chair
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:15:15]
I was going to use if they use the phrase piecemeal attempts to make an improvement burger we might cruise tweaks instead
we need to be thinking more holistically about the the whole planning process and therefore avoiding introducing little bits which might admit little bits on one at a time which might have
unexpected problems so it either so far as I'm concerned we should go for review in full and not make small changes
councillor Arrowsmith
[Cllr James Arrowsmith - 3:15:43]
thank you very much
for the reasons we are not pushing for a view on this is that we won't see me action we want to do we have spoken just recently in an inner One of the agenda items we spoke about how we want to make Council more accessible for councillors and any one A1 any pudding candidates
and drag
tracking the Council while councils will be there any health cost but Dragon residence along to sit there for five minutes so them they make their speech over there the low the was the Local Member make their speech we get the officers then built explain the what what conclusions are comes home and then
without an almost albeit short speech from Councillor years ago Yeah we'll say society is a waste of time it leaves residents angry and frustrated
and
as Lead Member of my call and Kiefer also get in the ear about what all wrong about planning and
how it all this food improved and how you and all the rest of it
but this is a small this is a small change whatsoever which can again works was our climate motions but also work to
bring a value for money and increase overall satisfaction in the Council because at in it in shop thus what were about isn't it
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:17:18]
I have no other indication so would Councillor Jon Hunt wish to sum up please
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 3:17:22]
thank you Chair and I do think it's a shame that Lib Dems wants to try and restrict members of the public from having their opportunity to speak the initial changes were brought in
the initial changes were brought in so that residents could engage with the Committee at a much earlier stage obviously the sites inspection comes in the last couple of weeks or of an application being determined at which point it's very difficult for their concerns to be fully taken on board by then being able to comes commit him talk at that earlier stage is a lot easier and means that officers and Councillors can fully digest the information are receiving
you'll also find that lots of residents find it a lot easier in those five minutes to voice their concerns or an articulate them the neighbourhood in writing some of the objections received online might only be a couple of lines long but when you speak to that residents will find that they will quite happily speak very articulately for five minutes on it and appoint eight things that you might not otherwise have seen
the point of calling for the review
is or has been 12 months we do want to properly consider any positives and negatives and as I said the original Lib Dem motion and their proposal can be considered alongside that we can look at any positives and negatives that can come out of it
and the length of time it just means that gives all members a chance to be fully involved in that process
and we can have a proper review to make sure that we are taking the planning process forward and is fit not only for residents but for this Council as well
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:18:58]
thank you that I shall now move to the vote on the amendment all those in favour please
all those against
any abstentions
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:19:12]
the amendment is carried
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:19:15]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:19:18]
we will now move to the main motion as amended and opened the debate
a young
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:19:25]
pick up on the system
well savings are being provided I shall have to move a or an amendment to make up now
which is
similarly so this no statement when as a further updates will be of benefit to and I would like to remove the full but
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:19:48]
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:19:48]
can I just ask you the slow down a little previous we got people up here making a note
what I've done quickly first long repeat it when I've got my words in order so what our utterance that slyly what I would like it removed the final full stop that there is now in the motion I believe
and
and not in a bullet point
in clause puts a
I am clever Lofts sorry during our area outside let
me tell me when you've got
to the right place and then all or proceed
okay right
yes OK
right
I would like to say
so removed the full stop at the end of the book point that starts this Council in terms of protecting it from appeal because that's not that wouldn't be the end now
and then
not in the bullet point say
with Tourism South Gloucestershire
say
including restoring
the ability of members of the public to speak at
site including consideration be given to Members the public being able to speak at site visits
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:21:27]
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:21:28]
John I note your request overtook Waitrose taking it
the jacket
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:21:44]
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:21:44]
that can you turn your thing of course
don't get to explain my
yes
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:21:50]
sorry a carry On
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:21:51]
yet
so simply this just clarifies that we absolutely want members of the public to be able to highlight issues and we'd like to be able to go on site as we have meant that's been opposition all the way through the process
and I think that
that should be restored
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:22:10]
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:22:11]
can I have a seconder for that amendment please
although
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 3:22:14]
it was
James you wish to speak now or reserve your comments
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:22:19]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:22:24]
[Cllr Jon Hunt - 3:22:25]
I now open the debate on the amendment
councillor Harper and thank you Chair and of the more distributed point off
last time
and is not something I think we can support it this moment are obsolete the whole point of doing review is that the whole planning process can be reviewed all options can be considered including the previous motion you put forward
the issue that we had previously with residents speaking at site was
twofold really first voice I said it very late on in the process it didn't see give officers members the chance you the technical work to assess what was being raised on site very close to a Committee meeting
and it also in some instances annoyed residents when they believe that there should be a debate on site and they would wonder why they're not getting answers to questions there then obviously know a site visit is purely there to view a site or not to engage in debate with other members of the public
or other members so because I think the motion is we have it amended is calling for the full review I believe it should remain as that and this is something that can be considered as part of that review
the purpose of the review
[Cllr Mike Drew - 3:23:42]
councillor Mike true
thank you Chair
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:23:49]
we are just include in this to make sure that that element that the review carries I would expect it to consider it and therefore you may regard the or the proposal the have in an interesting ought to be redundant it should it should be there anyway but if you choose to remove it that imply you don't want to consider the possibility of including restoring the ability of members of the public to speak the outer speaks like visits I you are a restricted what your review can do
so
there are usually
well then you won't read you won't reject this amendment you just makes it clear that what those elements along with a
proven local there that while your your members in the first place was unnecessary because it can do to review the either the review is nothing that
is necessary on this amendment and necessary or not necessary and disamenity then unnecessary but was I think it does give a clear indication you how already have close your mind and don't wish to give any consideration to restoring the ability of members of positive atmosphere site to me
Country involvement
[Cllr Ian Boulton - 3:25:11]
thank you Chair of the Labour Group will be supporting this amendment I don't think we should be afraid of members of the public speaking to us
I am I've spoken at
into many site visits my time on DC and I have found the contribution that members of the public have made really very useful they are able to point out issues that wouldn't necessarily be coming to us from the officers particularly of the officers have another view to the local residents so really this is not something to be afraid of its embracing democracy and actually I think that the public I understand sometimes the public do come with an expectation that we might make a decision there and then and that is upsetting however is more upsetting when they know that were on site and they are not allowed to speak and that is really quite disturbing
[Cllr Michael Bell - 3:26:08]
councillor Michael Bell and because I'd been on funding Committee for eight years almost note phone never found on the monthly site visits we are profoundly the resident Local resident been disruptive or cause any problems at all but a very few I can count on the fingers of one hand drive I would support the bid that a resident Councillor it will be delivered democracy they want to stick their case and I fully support it
[Cllr Colin Hunt - 3:26:33]
councillor Colin Hunt
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:26:40]
thank you Chair I had no intention of speaking on any of the issues but I will know it's been a Chair very very many years and going on many sites and being attacked I can tell you I'm being abused and being told that I'm a fascist and being told that I am undemocratic being reported to the Standards Board because people do not understand now I will point out that it's always been ever since I was on King's Wood
a sites inspection is simply there for the members to view the site not members of the public to have the anticipation that we're going to make a decision we are not going to make a decision we are not allowed to speak to them we have to keep our distance they don't understand that and then they get very very annoyed and a few been on as many sites as I have i'm Trevor and June we will point out
how vicious it can get your gentle members of the public have got a different point of view
councillor Toby Savage
[Cllr Toby Savage - 3:27:54]
i'm chair I'm thinking machines are also having to avoid an speaking in this debate and I just wanted to echo the point that John has made us to respond to a comment that the Ian made around the how valuable it is for the for residents to engage with us to tell them and tell us what you know what they think about particular planning applications and that's why we took a very conscious decision to ensure the power engaging with members earlier than they previously were and I think for a loss of residence when they came along to those sites inspection meetings right at the end of the process that for many of them they thought it was a phoney opportunity for them to have their say because it came right at the end of the process officers had completed their technical work actually what we have sought to do through the changes that we brought in his to actually have the public engaging with us far earlier and are far more meaningful stage than they did previously
at that said if there are areas to improve around public participation and I would fully expect that to be to be part of the review we have already committed to do in the motion as already amended
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:29:08]
councillor Arrowsmith as the second that you wish to make your comments now
yes
[Cllr James Arrowsmith - 3:29:13]
yes
I think actually a
reason I support the substance it is that is we not only is the site visit but we not only observe our eyes we observe our ears we observe with many of the aspects of who we are and further things we can learn I've learned so much from residents more than any other group in so I as a Councillor and when I hoped my advice surgeries and the NSA are has got this Nazir and say up I'll take Alonso now show you you know and that ability to hit a resident talk you through it lists explain some things which aren't always obvious as something that we can't always understand you know we don't always appreciate as Members from different parts of the Council and as a differing as it where we represented different wards I'm
I was going to make a comment about our Theresa stopping owes lead and speed but I think we've heard that joke once anyhow and Irfan Johnson she did it very well
but I think this is a great opportunity for us to a little bit of some substantial change right now improved and again just following on from remarks I made earlier about providing money
the PRU giving residents feeling like they had a say giving them a feel like they can reach out their Council and there would improve the overall satisfaction thank you very much
councillor Young would you care to sum up
[Cllr Claire Young - 3:30:50]
is third time lucky I am just to deal with a couple of the points this idea that residents are engaged in a was engaged substantially early in the process doesn't it might seem to be happening what is happening is it is still late on in the process
the only reason is not quite as near the end as it was before is because they additional delays being introduced it's not that residents are engaging in
any earlier they've always engaged
and the consultation period stage at 21 days stage
and then whereas in the past it would have gone to site visit
and whether they would have spoken and in Committee when they were spoken there it goes to Committee where they speak then site visit when they can't speak and then
that is still right at the end of the process is that it is made no difference in it and as for the confusion I think results are just as confused over the current situation
but really
OK idea it I'm not going any further I can clearly see
that the mindset of close to this and a which I think we should move to the vote
thank you for that
we will know then move to the vote on the second amendment
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:32:04]
or those in favour of the amendment please indicate no
thank you those against the amendment
councillor Brown are you voting
amendment
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:32:31]
those sorry those abstentions
the amendment is carried
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:32:45]
that now becomes the substantive motion
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:32:51]
they opened on the amended main motion
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:33:00]
lifting the growth is moving the vote
all those in favour
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:33:07]
enhanced
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:33:14]
the motion is carried
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:33:22]
[Cllr Brian Allinson - 3:33:29]
members there are for Item 15
other items the Chair

15 Any Other Item the Chair Decides is Urgent

roses urgent there will be pleased to hear there are no motions that I feel are urgent
however can I just say firstly thank you all for struggling not struggling fought for coping with the new system which is I think a vast improvement but does require us to make sure we switch off when we finish speaking because it does then jumble up a bit but can I also now ask you to make sure that we clear the chamber properly if you take your empty cups to the end of the Chamber and once again thank you for your forbearance